Topic: when Alucard dies

[KaZudra]

so basically, we found out that Cox's Lords Lore is actually true to the roots as well as Alucard having the exact effect when he dies.

[Nagumo]

No.

[C Belmont]

Lords of shadow will never be true to Castlevanias roots Cox has made pretty damn certain of that
more on topic though, wouldn't a simple wooden stake through the heart kill both Alucards vampiric side and his human side in one single blow? and if not that than how about a strike from the Vampirekiller whip? the whip works fine on a vampire as powerfull as Dracula and I imagine it's just as effective at harming humans too.

[Gunlord]

In SoTN, doesn't Drac say something about doing away with Alucard's "Weak human side" when you fight him? That would seem to lend some support to the "becoming a full vampire" when he dies theory.

[X]

     Could someone please clarify some things to me religilously and otherwise.

1 Is God the only uncaused cause in existence?
2 If 1 is true then what was the cause of vanity, disobedience, pride and all of the other things said to have been inherent in man?
3 If there is an adversarial force to God why was it able to become that way?
4 If God is all loving and does not change i.e. is the same yesterday today and tomorrow where did this angry God come in?
5 Do you think that Alucard should be in a future platform based Castlevania title?

My feelings on Alucard is that he would probably either go to Heaven or be obliterated.

I really don't want to jump off-topic with this, but it seems that these discussions are inevitably linked. I'll try and answer some of them for you but keep this in mind; Everyone has their own ideas and believes about what religion is so...

1 Is God the only uncaused cause in existence?

From what I studied here and there, God has always been around and will always be around. As far as I know he/she is eternal and everlasting and there is just nothing else out there that created God or lead to God's creation.

2 If 1 is true then what was the cause of vanity, disobedience, pride and all of the other things said to have been inherent in man?

Simple; Humans. Humans have a soul but they also have what's known as the human ego. The ego our biological identity and it is through this that negativity is abound. The ego wasn't created by God, it manifested on it's own. I'm still trying to find out how exactly it did that.

3 If there is an adversarial force to God why was it able to become that way?

People have their own ideas of what God's "opposite" is so I don't want to offend anyone here. But I will tell you of what I heard: During the creation of souls a group of them broke away from God and became 'Dark'. The purpose of Dark entities is to extinguish 'Light' as they cannot survive in it. To them it is detestable and disgusting. To me these entities are far more dangerous then any demon (Lucifer or Satan) cause they can reincarnate as humans like us. But you wouldn't know if someone was a dark entity unless you knew what to look for. But sometimes it's blatantly obvious as you'd get a kind of gut-feeling telling you that something about said individuals was off one some level or another. for instance If you looked at a person who was just like everybody else except he/she was the only one to make the hairs on the back of your neck stand on end, then chances are that person is a dark entity.

4 If God is all loving and does not change i.e. is the same yesterday today and tomorrow where did this angry God come in?

The human ego.

5 Do you think that Alucard should be in a future platform based Castlevania title?

Most definitly. I think he's a really cool character and it's always a blast to play such a character.

[Belmont Stakes]

I really don't want to jump off-topic with this, but it seems that these discussions are inevitably linked. I'll try and answer some of them for you but keep this in mind; Everyone has their own ideas and believes about what religion is so...

From what I studied here and there, God has always been around and will always be around. As far as I know he/she is eternal and everlasting and there is just nothing else out there that created God or lead to God's creation.

Simple; Humans. Humans have a soul but they also have what's known as the human ego. The ego our biological identity and it is through this that negativity is abound. The ego wasn't created by God, it manifested on it's own. I'm still trying to find out how exactly it did that.

People have their own ideas of what God's "opposite" is so I don't want to offend anyone here. But I will tell you of what I heard: During the creation of souls a group of them broke away from God and became 'Dark'. The purpose of Dark entities is to extinguish 'Light' as they cannot survive in it. To them it is detestable and disgusting. To me these entities are far more dangerous then any demon (Lucifer or Satan) cause they can reincarnate as humans like us. But you wouldn't know if someone was a dark entity unless you knew what to look for. But sometimes it's blatantly obvious as you'd get a kind of gut-feeling telling you that something about said individuals was off one some level or another. for instance If you looked at a person who was just like everybody else except he/she was the only one to make the hairs on the back of your neck stand on end, then chances are that person is a dark entity.

The human ego.

Most definitly. I think he's a really cool character and it's always a blast to play such a character.

No 1. Word
No 2. Thanks for the reply.

I know this topic is about Alucard and his fate after Death gets the better of him. I think eventually he will break from the curse when his father dies and he will be allowed to pass away peacefully to a higher state of existence.
Back to the God issue. The notion of something wanting to willfully go against perfection would ruin the notion of perfection ever existing to begin with would it not? Something is askew here. Especially since I have heard God would not destroy that which He is trying to have a relationship with (ahem Sodom and Gamorrah ahem).

[C Belmont]

I sure wish you people would go and argue about religion somewhere else it's a debate that could go on forever (and probably already has been) so this thread will never get back on topic unless someone just drops it already.

[A-Yty]

Hey, it's not like Iga didn't have enough chances.

Not my point.

[TheouAegis]

Yay my turn for the fun answers!

I haven't played many of the new CV games... OK none. I played SOTN and LoI, the Gameboy (the really old school) ones, and the NES ones. Oh and the SNES ones and Rondo. Anyway, that said, I didn't know there was ever any statement about God needing an opponent or whatever. As soon as I saw that mentioned on page ... whatever... in this thread, it clicked, although the inspiration is probably wrong:

God needs an antagonist. I don't know where that idea stemmed from, but it didn't first appear in Castlevania. In the notorious film Urotsukidouji 2: Legend of the Demon Womb, there is the idea that, if there is a god, so too must there be a demon king. The movie never went into detail about it. There's also the argument posed by believers in exorcism that if demons exist, then God must exist. The opposite could then be posed as well, because the Bible states demons exist, so if God exists, the Bible, which is the word of God, says demons exist and therefore demons exist. Dualism is believed by some to be the predominant original belief in Zoroastrianism, the precursor to Christianity, with Ahura Mazda (the good) and Angra Mainyu (the evil, aka Ahriman). Although there are different interpretations of the Zoroaster scriptures, some saying Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu were twins and Angra Mainyu chose to be good, some saying Angra Mainyu doesn't really exist and his evil doesn't really eixst but perception of it makes it exist (or something), or Angra Mainyu was a creation of Ahura Mazda.

On the topic of free will existing when the creator knows everything, that's an easy answer. It's surprising the question even exists these days. Consider this code:

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my_choice = choose( watch_MrX_die, try_to_save_MrX, expedite_death_of_MrX, turn_a_blind_eye )

That's a format from GameMaker. What we see here is the programmer (God) has given the computer (man) the option to choose its next action. Now, the computer doesn't know what will happen next - it hasn't reached that part of the code yet - but God already knows because he programmed the switch condition that follows as well:

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switch ( my_choice )
{
    case watch_MrX_die:
    case turn_a_blind_eye: feel_guilt(); feel_shame(); feel_remorse(); burn_in_hell=true; break;
    case try_to_save_MrX: with(MrX) death_by_fire(); with(self) death_by_fire(); burn_in_hell=false; break;
    case expedite_death_of_MrX: goto_jail(); burn_in_hell=true; break;
}

The computer (man) makes a choice of his own free will, then man suffers the consequences the programmer (God) set down for that choice. And if you have a problem looking at computers theologically, read the works of Douglas Adams. I think it was in Salmon Of A Doubt.

I like the quotes I see on Google, though. "If God cannot prevent evil, then he isn't omnipotent. So why worship him?" A: Because he can smite your ass in a fraction of a nanosecond, bitch! Cthulhu and his ilk were defeated in ancient times, yet he still had his followers. Stupid people... 

[K.G. Morder]

That explanation makes about 10 times more sense than any of the religion babble that's been going on in this topic.

The example is a pretty good one too.

[crisis]

Here are some quotations taken from Castlevania Art Works/Timeline booklet, 2003,

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"For the life of every creature
its blood is its life: therefore I have said to the people of Israel:
You shall not eat the blood of any creature,
for the life of every creature is its blood; whoever eats it shall be cut off."
(Leviticus Chapter 17:14)

"Jesus said to them, 'Very truly I tell you,
unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life,
and I will raise them up at the last day.
For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.'"
(John Chapter 6)

Energy cannot be created or destroyed, according to Science. God=Energy.

[Mystic Myotis]

Energy cannot be created or destroyed, according to Science. God=Energy.

Okay, first off... if 'God' was 'energy,' then 'God' would be a natural, non-sentient substance subject to the natural world.  'God' as described in Christianity cannot be 'energy.' >_>

Secondly, we HAVE seen energy/matter 'created and destroyed' in vacuum fluctuations.  It's an incredibly common occurrence.
Based upon it scientists have formed the hypothesis that the entire universe is a vast vacuum fluctuation.

[crisis]

Michael Scott about God


debate over

[A-Yty]

Maybe "God" is something that believes itself to be the supreme being and failing to understand that he can't overpower that "energy" and can't therefore be truly omnipotent. I believe this has been suggested in several works of fiction.

..How did this topic end up talking about God..?

[darkwzrd4]

Maybe "God" is something that believes itself to be the supreme being and failing to understand that he can't overpower that "energy" and can't therefore be truly omnipotent. I believe this has been suggested in several works of fiction.

..How did this topic end up talking about God..?

Because we were discussing whether or not Alucard would go to Heaven if he was killed.  It shouldn't be surprising that we would start taking about religion.  After all, we learn about Heaven from our faiths.  So talking about God and what he/she/it is would happen sooner or later.

That being said, I doubt that we will truly reach a consensus because we all have varying beliefs.