Topic: I love LoI's open-ended...ending... ... but I have one problem

[TheouAegis]

Okay, the topic title kinda makes this a moot point ("open-ended"), but just now I was thinking about Classicvanias and LoI and got a bad taste in my mouth. So, Leon was a lord and crusader. Okay, I'm fine with the idea that Leon's actions pushed the Belmonts out of high class society. I'm okay with the idea that Mathias isn't really Dracula (read some of my other posts in these forums). I'm okay with the idea that Dracula wasn't even a vampire (again, other posts). These all make sense within LoI's story and CV3's intro.

My problem is the Belmonts by the time of Trevor were not crusaders, they were either vampire hunters or devil hunters. They were a family of exorcists. The Belmonts were a clan of "holy men" (living on the outskirts of society). Well, this ain't really a problem I guess, but when did Leon and his heirs become exorcists?

I'm thinking now that the Chruch didn't have a problem with the Belmonts using mystic, heathen powers to combat demons, which likely was encouraging demons to roam the land. I'm wondering if the Chruch ostracized the Belmonts because they were performing exorcisms, a Catholic tradition, without the Chruch's consent and in a manner contrary to established Chruch practice.


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Yeah I dunno if I actually have a problem per se, it's just a thought that's been nagging me this morning and developed as I typed this.

[Chernabogue]

They certainely became exorcists after LoI, using the Alchemy to create subweapons and stuff. Leon said his clan would fight Dracula (and the night), so that's why he may have decided to stop the Crusades and become an exorcist.

[Flame]

Since when did they become "Exorcists"?

They began a crusade of hunting vampires and any manner of beings connected to the Night.

Of course, due to their holy powers and their sheer supernatural skill and shit, ill bet it WAS the church which probably ostracized them. It says people were afraid of them, and the church was probably the cause.

But of course, once push comes to shove and shit goes down, they had to swallow that and accept their help

[A-Yty]

They began a crusade of hunting vampires and any manner of beings connected to the Night.

Well, that includes demons.

[Ratty]

Yeah Leon said it himself "From this day on the Belmont clan will hunt the night!" and somewhat more dramatically if less sensically "I'll kill you AND the Night!" as we all remember. So the Belmonts are hunters of all evil nocturnal creatures.

And it makes sense that the Church would be afraid of the Belmonts' power and shun them initially.
Though their relationship had obviously softened up by the events of Simon's Quest.

[X]

In all reasoning there's no way that Leon could be a crusader knight as LoI takes place in 1094 and the first crusade doesn't happen until 1095. A small technicality yes, but a rather obvious one. Another issue is that of the church. In the CVIII story the Pope was on the lookout for any trace of the Belmont family in order to destroy Dracula. So I do have doubts as to whether or not the church itself was responsible for the Belmont's banishment. It just maybe the case that they were banished by the people of Romania themselves as the church would have probably saw much use for the Hunters themselves, whereas the people were a very superstitious lot.

[Darkson]

You have to remember. When it's convenient, people in power will praise the unique but when they are no longer useful, they will cast them out as fast as they can. So, it isn't improbable to think that the church initially cast them out, but came crawling back when trouble reared it's ugly head.

[TheouAegis]

Just because he may have lost his standing just prior to the Crusades doesn't mean he was never a templar or possible crusader.

And all I mean about the holy warrior thing is the relics the Belmonts use over the centuries weren't originally theirs, they were remntants left behind by other people who went into Walter's castle.

But anyway I base my history off the Akumajou Densetsu story which basically says they were essentially exorcists ostracized by the Church for their unorthodox methods, not by the people of Romania.

[thernz]

In all reasoning there's no way that Leon could be a crusader knight as LoI takes place in 1094 and the first crusade doesn't happen until 1095. A small technicality yes, but a rather obvious one.

Yeah, but see, it states in the prologue that the crusades were raging in the east. While it's an historical inaccuracy, it basically means that the crusades DID happen around 1094 in Lament's world.

CANON

[Ratty]

Yeah, but see, it states in the prologue that the crusades were raging in the east. While it's an historical inaccuracy, it basically means that the crusades DID happen around 1094 in Lament's world.

CANON

Yeah, no reason to expect the Castlevania universe to be historically accurate. It's a fantasy, just one that mirrors our history more closely than others in a lot of ways.
I mean, Europe was never struck with Dracula's Curse either. Though I guess one could try to work that in with the black death which killed I think something like half of the continent's population.

[crisis]

The Black Death pandemic era is ripe with opportunity for classic-canon games! Remember, it's confirmed that Dracula gains power from each slain vampire that the Belmonts kill during this period (according to the PoR timeline). prunyuu~!

[X]

You have to remember. When it's convenient, people in power will praise the unique but when they are no longer useful, they will cast them out as fast as they can. So, it isn't improbable to think that the church initially cast them out, but came crawling back when trouble reared it's ugly head.

This is true and the church was notorious for this time and time again.

Just because he may have lost his standing just prior to the Crusades doesn't mean he was never a templar or possible crusader.

I already know that Leon was a knight, that is a given since Leon's artwork depicts him in a French Knight's garb before the events of LoI. However contrary to the game's story, Crusader Knights did not exist prior to the crusades. So this would make Leon just a Knight, not a Crusader Knight. And yes I already know this is just a game story based in fiction and doesn't properly reflect reality. However it just irks me like the Dracula origins story does; both are terribly thought out. The only savings grace for me about the game is the game itself. That's it.

[darkmanx_429]

Interesting topic...

[Reinhart77]

gosh it's so nice to see a debate about the original continuity.

[A-Yty]

I already know that Leon was a knight, that is a given since Leon's artwork depicts him in a French Knight's garb before the events of LoI.

I didn't know that. I guess the Belmonts' origin is French after all. Or half of it, anyway? It's been pretty ambiguous with their names (Richter indicates Germany, Trevor Wales etc.), but since Leon is the earliest one..

gosh it's so nice to see a debate about the original continuity.