Topic: I'm No More a Castlevania Fan

[TheCruelAngel]

Seriously, way to jump down a guy's throat with an honest question that could have been handled more like "Sorry, we're tired of discussing this matter, if you're that curious please browse through the forum or post in the Classic forum which was designed for repeat discussions" or something.

And again, not everyone here shares the same sentiment of LoS not being a CV title or the lack of CV feel. I think individuals see something different when they play a CV title and it's up to them to determine what they like or dislike it. Konami dictates what is or isn't a CV title, buck up and just carry on with life. You determine whether you like or dislike a CV game, and if it's because it doesn't "feel" like the rest, that's cool. But unless you're Konami or you own the IP for CV you can't decry a CV game to not be a CV game. It is, because Konami/those in charge with the IP said it is.

Don't like it? Go buy all of Konami's shares, gain control of the IP and change it. I mean hell, some of us consider Kid Dracula part of the CV-verse and a CV title but no where on it does it state being a CV or Akumajou title. Cut LoS some slack, so you didn't like it but that doesn't make it not a CV title. Can we consider that fair?

[X]

Hey! Since when we treated users this way?! Calm down here, he is only asking a question, if no one gonna answer its fine, but we dont need to bash him that way right? He appears here rarely, and when he appears we treat him like that? Lets try to remain calm and civil here, please.

 And no, its not mini-moding, but I just doesnt like when people bash or fight each other like that, hau auu~

And I whole-hearty agree with this. I don't like it either when someone decides to goose-step on others just because of a question. We have rules so that people don't go around bashing each other just because they think they can. It's just sick stupidity and an action of neglect for Jorge's forum rules. If someone wants answers to a question, then be respectful. If there are those who're tired of hearing the same questions asked, then leave it alone. It's THAT easy.

[uzo]

People are sick and tired of others strolling in with "WHATS THE BIG DEAL MAN" after we've gone through and explained it in great detail every month for the last TWO YEARS.

At this point, it just looks like someone wanting to start trouble.

[crisis]

i hope nobodys mad at me ;.;

[TheCruelAngel]

Crisis, I am the mostest mad.  (  )

But in all seriousness if everyone feels bad for jumping down the poor guy's throat and learns to be more patient, since this is an interwebz forum with a long history and not everyone will read through every discussion in the history of this place, then I think no harm no foul.

And just because this is a heated topic that you or anyone else has talked about for two solid years with intricate topics, cited sources and industry insider knowledge that blows the lid off everything and you're tired to death of discussing it doesn't give you the right to treat other members with genuine inquiry, of even trolling, like they were a sub-humans.

I mean, just because I've had heated debates that a manual transmission is better than an automatic with people and haters for years doesn't mean I can rip into the next person who asks why I think that, whether serious or not (especially if I have no history with this individual). Is it so hard to be kind to others?

[Lelygax]

I am...

... not mad at you, but try to take care next time, these "spikes" on your "armor" can harm some people, if I are in your shoes I would apologize to Dracula9 tough.

[X]

i hope nobodys mad at me ;.;

The best way to prevent people from being mad at you is to keep that ego in check and not get carried away. In this case the best thing to do is move on towards the future and not repeat the same past mistakes again. By doing so you'll look much better in the eyes of others and they will be that much quicker to forgiving you. Nobody wants to end up fighting with others over some miniscule trivial matter, especially not on a long-running respectable forum such as this one.

[crisis]

I think you're taking things way too seriously, but thanks anyway lol

[Flame]

Castlevania was always a Japanese thing.

The very roots of Castlevania are in WESTERN horror movies and mythology. It wasn't until more around Aria of Sorrow (GBA) that Eastern mythology and themes were introduced.

[TheouAegis]

 But mashing together those Western horrors is a aJapanese thing when taken to the extent that yielded Castlevania.

[Aridale]

Actually its both... It was hugely inspired by Vampire Hunter D and then combined with classic movie monsters to fill with more stuff than just Drac. Maybe they wanted to use Drac instead of Magnus Lee and figured oh hey itd be awesome if Frankensteins Monster was a boss! And ohhhhhh!!! A Mummy!! so on and so forth

[Nagumo]

I mean hell, some of us consider Kid Dracula part of the CV-verse and a CV title but no where on it does it state being a CV or Akumajou title. 

The Japanese title is Akumajo Special: Boku Dracula-kun!       

[TheCruelAngel]

But mashing together those Western horrors is a aJapanese thing when taken to the extent that yielded Castlevania.

Ummm... then what happened here?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Frankenstein_(1944_film)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Dracula

  Not to discredit you, but merely pointing out Westerners aren't foreign to the concept either.

I think what we're also missing is the inclusion of Greek Mythology (Medusa + heads) among other items. All this through the lens of Japanese sensibility and action and what we get are the initial incarnation of Castlevania.

While I admit Castlevania has very Japanese roots I don't believe this means it has to remain as such. Nor do I think it dictates whether a Castlevania game will be good or not based on the national origin of the development studio. This is the 21st century, and in this age of massive globalization we really should look beyond "well this is how it's always been done and should remain that way!"

I mean, if I eat a burger made in Thailand and don't like it, should I dictates burgers should only ever be made in America, since burgers originated there and they know it best? (hint: Burgers in Japan are awesome and I prefer them)

The Japanese title is Akumajo Special: Boku Dracula-kun!       

Well color me embarrassed and corrected, probably something I should of looked up instead of making the statement. Thank you for the correction, I do appreciate it. However, my statement still stands! Just on less stable ground and credibility... 

[DragonSlayr81]

Actually its both... It was hugely inspired by Vampire Hunter D and then combined with classic movie monsters to fill with more stuff than just Drac. Maybe they wanted to use Drac instead of Magnus Lee and figured oh hey itd be awesome if Frankensteins Monster was a boss! And ohhhhhh!!! A Mummy!! so on and so forth

I think that's one of the things I love about CV(mainly the early ones). Love the whole "monster mash" thing. Only a adding more and more classic movie monsters made it such a cool game(from a kid in the 80s standpoint).

And yeah, there has existed various horror crossovers, but to having a mess load of crossovers where nearly all the classics appear, it's only been done a handful of times. One was Mad Monster Party, one was Scooby Doo and the Reluctant Werewolf, and another was Monster Squad(Hell, toss in Waxwork for good measure). That type of thing always turned me on(not in THAT way). The whole "Dracula, Mummy, Frankenstein(yes, it was politically incorrect to call him Frankenstein, be most of us did that anyway), Igor/Hunchback, Merman(no doubt modeled after the Gillman of Creature from the Black Lagoon),...", the only thing the original was missing was the Wolfman, which appeared as a monster in Simon's Quest, and maybe Invisible Man and Jekyll & Hyde(though the former became a monster in more recent IGAvanias, and the latter, I think, was a boss in ReBirth). But anyway, yeah, that stuff's cool. It's always cool to see all the movie monsters together.

[Kamirine]

To be 100% fair, TC, I never once thought that Castlevania was officially 'dead' simply because of Cox and Mercurysteam taking over. Don't get me wrong: I do like the IGA games (and the man himself is quite polite), and certainly, I'm not the biggest fan of the first LoS, but I don't think it's fair to say that Castlevania is as we know it is dead.

I've always felt that Castlevania was more of a chameleon, a changing entity: I mean just look at the original, NES games all the way to SOTN. That had to be a bit of shock for fans from the earliest era: it didn't have the same gameplay, it didn't star a Belmont (and possibly worse, had a Belmont get brainwashed by the very people he'd previously laid the smack down on, which you never want to see happen to the badass hero family of a series), it was completely in the castle instead of leading up to said castle and roaming various eras, the art direction was completely different (to say the least) than before...

It was something fans of the older series had to get used to (and I'm sure some never really did, even if they're seemingly rare now) but the series adapted and changed and it happened. We got IGA-era after SOTN for years, which I'm sure was disappointing and disheartening to the early ear of fans that never liked the style or what it had to offer and desperately wanted it to return to the original style. Now the IGA-era has come to and and the series is trying something new with Cox's mini era.  And then we'll probably get something new after that.

Never thought I'd flat out defend LoS (because I'm not a fan and despise that damn ending...) but it does have so much potential, which is why I'm willing to give MoF and LoS2 a shot. It did remind me of the NES/original games, where a Belmont actually wondered around other places other than the castle itself (it had been so long, OoE not withstanding, that I found it refreshing, even if I do agree the feel and mood was 'off'), used a whip-like weapon (I forgive the Vampire Killer thing because in the earlier game, it was more of a morning star with no name instead), and more importantly, it's brought the Castlevania brand back into the limelight again. It's not IGA-ish, no. But then IGA-ish games were never the ONLY type of Castlevania style there was.

And if the final two games end up not being to my liking, then I have the solace of knowing I won't have to deal with Mercurysteam/Cox era anymore, which is more than I can say for any fans that hated the IGA-era.

Yes, I'm looking forward to MoF and LoS2 and I'm looking forward to the future endeavors the series has to offer.

I mean, I stomached Castlevania Judgement, I can stomach anything.

Or rather...rambling done: Castlevania will NEVER be truly dead to me until Konami stops making the games.