Topic: News: Dave Cox about continuing LoS after 2: My head says no, my heart yes

[Lelygax]

Akuma:

1.  God of War was a DMC knockoff.  So it's subjective.

Wrong, its a Rygar knockoff.

7.  As for the series dying for lots of fans that remains to be seen saleswise and it is too early to judge in MoF's case but we'll know soon enough when I see the sales charts.

Sales doesnt says if a game is good or bad, the content in it says. A lot of good games doesnt sell well and are known as "rare gems" while other games sells a lot and are shitty.

Wish people could just judge on what each separate game provides and what it does well in and what it doesn't do well in and how it can improve instead of mindlessly bashing it without a coherent argument other then "they changed it, now it sucks"(because that's all I get out of it, say what you will).  As I recall SotN received the same kind of backlash back then but it has a great following now.

Atleast Im judging separate games, the thing is that I think its better to improve the old formula than trying to turn the new one in a thing that resembles the old. Its like trying to build a house because you want it to be red, only that you ALREADY have the house and only needs to paint it.

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Sumac:

After addition of Ronald McDonald and Duke Nukem into it, I lost interest in this project for obvious reasons. Not that this interest was very big, to begin with. 

They are optional, you dont need to use them. Also you can simply delete a file now and they disappear from the entire game as if they never existed, Serio did it so people that dislike this kind of humor doesnt even see the face of them.

The core of the series was already largely distorted by the likes of DOS and POR. 

Character portraits are so important like that? It still in the same continuity, with same kind of enemies. The enemies still retain their abilities as well as the Belmont descendants.

[VladCT]

After addition of Ronald McDonald and Duke Nukem into it, I lost interest in this project for obvious reasons. Not that this interest was very big, to begin with. 

If the April Fools characters are what's bothering you, you can always nuke the extras.wut file, though then the more sensible guest characters like Montano and the Touhouvania duo will have to go bye-bye as well.
As for me, I'm itching to see what WTF character Serio will put in next April Fools. lol

[crisis]

Possibly, yes, however, it doesn't change the fact, that in its core LOS is rather close to the classic games of the series. Level by level progression and the like.

It's no more closer to the classic games than the 'vanias released prior to LoS. Are you arguing that LoS is more in tune with the classics than the gba/DS games, just because it has level-by-level progression and the like, and that automatically makes it closer to the originals than the metroidvanias? Nevermind the fact that the metroidvanias retained a lot more classic elements & charm (no, i'm not gonna list everything since it's all painfully obvious), as opposed to LoS openly omitting said elements to "do it's own thing?"

We were told to "forget everything we know about Castlevania," NOT "forget everything you know about metroidvania." Which is why the game felt so alien to a lot of fans, or else no one would be bringing up these discussions about LoS being controversial in it's design. The elements are there, there's no denying that, you just have to squint your eyes & dig deep to find them, unfortunately.

So, neither was one giant level-map with progression by finding new items and RPG elements.
And glowing items? Really? CV64 had glowing sparks, that pointed with which items you could interact, so...yeah. 

So why have you or anyone else criticized the metroidvanias for being unlike the classics with one giant level-map with progression by finding new items and RPG elements, and praise LoS for it's extensive combo system and such, when both had the intentions to "keep up with the times?"

None of those things were ever mandatory part of the series. Castlevanias prefectly existed and, I believe, will exist without all of them. Except for good platforming.

Castlevania can also exist without QTE prompts, wall-shimmying every 20 feet and wide-range combos that don't do as much damage as they should. The platforming in LoS was decent at best (better in MoF), still way better than LoI & CoD, but CV64 & LoD were a step in the right direction. It's sad that they (MercurySteam) haven't learned from those aspects, considering how talented the team is. Perhaps LoS2 will be leagues better.

[Pfil]

Fixed it for you, atleast posts from the last 3 days with -1. (This last post included). Its a common thing to me, +1ing posts with -1 that I think is unfair.

Thanks!

[Ahasverus]

I'm sure a merging of the three core Castlevania styles (Action-LoS-, Exploration-MertoidVania, Platfforming-Classics-) can be combined into a perfect formula. But I just don't think the answer lies on MercurySteam, to be honest, they seem to be too self absorbed.
The next team can keep mercury's artists though, the best on the franchise.

[crisis]

Sorry, I'm not being an ass. I'm voicing my opinion here. I'd appreciate it if you would stop replying to my posts and leave me alone. Thanks.

I can reply to whomever I want, it's an open forum. And as long as you keep trolling this forum with your hate-filled "LoS sucks blahblah i hate it hate it hate it," I'll likewise continue to troll you (or, more likely, someone that's tired of your childish profanity-filled rants reports you to the moderation & you're inevitably banned. You won't be missed, either). I earned my Trollmeister award for a reason! 

You can express your opinion about LoS without being a jackass about it. Your post was pretty much "so-and-so fucking sucks, this game is shit, you have shit taste if you like it, god this series went to shit, what a failure," which shows you lack the intelligence to form a thoughtful opinion for discussion (your profound signature furthers my point). And it's sad, because I'm betting that's how middle-schoolers usually talk on forums when they're mad at something (especially on boards like gamefaqs & the like), and you're probably a high school grad or at least in college? Grow up.

Is CV dead to me? At this point yes it is.

That's too bad for you, then.

[Pfil]

None of those things were ever mandatory part of the series. Castlevanias prefectly existed and, I believe, will exist without all of them. Except for good platforming.
Shops were present in CV2 and metroidvanias only, the same goes for map and inventory and "beautiful enemies".
ClassicVania platforming died in Symphony and its heirs. After concept of instant death pits and lives was eliminated in metroidvanias, platforming mostly became shallow experience without any kind of danger. 

ClassicVania platforming was replaced by exploration and all the RPG elements, but the rest (music, look, enemies) stayed the same.
So we had, back then, 2 wonderful types of Castlevania to choose from, and everything was perfect.

And I received my minuses by protecting LOS.

Not from me, I assure you. I like to discuss politely and with respect, and from what I think, there's no point on giving -1 just because I don't agree. I prefer to reply and express my feelings on the matter.

Edit: MUSIC was ALWAYS mandatory.
And it's BY FAR my biggest complain on the MS games (not the only one, because I don't like how they did anything, but it's by far the main complain).
I tried playing Mirror of Fate listening to some GBA/DS tunes, and it still was boring, slow and repetitive, still was filled with QTEs and combos, and still didn't have all the elements I like to have on CV, but at least I had the music. I couldn't replace the graphics or gameplay... if possible, I would have done it.
But having what CV should have as soundtrack improved a lot the experience.

[VladCT]

You know, I'm starting to think that someone else is tossing around all the downvotes just to provoke you guys. Serio's board let us see who voted which post, how about implementing that here? That way people would be more careful and conscious about voting.

[Lelygax]

You can be sure of that, its just for provoke us.

[Flame]

Well I tend to sometimes downvote posts I strongly disagree with or find just plain stupid or obstinate. I make sure to comment when I do, however. Although there comes a point where I just can't keep up the perpetual argument, or just have no interest in doing so, so i'll just downvote to show my disapproval, and move on.

And no, showing who downvoted wouldn't change my voting habits. That's just the price to pay when you have a voting system on posts. people will upvote/downvote if they agree/disagree. It's the reason I tend to not like post rep. systems.

More on topic,
I'm a few pages late to this but I have to address it:

LoS series was originally going to be an individual IP(until someone from Konami stepped in).  You can't judge much on a developer that hasn't made much to begin with.

Hideo Kojima was the one who stepped in and told MS that their game looks like a Castlevania title.

Which proves Kojima doesn't understand anything about Castlevania.
He should stick with his Metal Gear franchise and don't f*** with CV.

The game started out as a Castlevania game, not an original IP. The original Pitch was a Castlevania 1 remake. Let's not forget the old "Simon Belmont prototype". It was pitched as a CV1 remake, and Konami gave them the go ahead. Konami of japan however, was at work making Judgement, and decided for the game to be an Original IP instead, so as to not upstage Judgement at the games show. It took Kojima's involvement to give it back the status as Castlevania. people keep spouting that 'it was originally an original IP" as if that somehow makes their feelings of dislike towards it more factually correct or something.

[Rugal]

Stuff

Seriously? Can you just like back off for a second?

I have just as much a right as you do to post my opinions as well. If you don't like that, it's pretty much too bad. Interesting that you mentioned rule #1 don't be an ass when this there is a reward in the form of a title for being a troll such as yourself. Trolling usually involves being an ass. Kind of contradictory there. Why do you have such a huge problem with my profanity? You liked DmC, right? That game is littered with middle school dialogue, but I digress. Also dude, read my entire posts before you think about replying. Twice now have you failed to comprehend certain things. Also, let's not bring education into this for your own sake. You'd be making a fool of yourself there.

At this point, I feel uncomfortable with you replying to my posts so I'll ask you again. Please stop replying to my posts. You make me feel extremely uncomfortable. I wish this forum had an ignore button instead of a stupid "respect" button.

[e105beta]

Seriously? Can you just like back off for a second?

I have just as much a right as you do to post my opinions as well. If you don't like that, it's pretty much too bad. Interesting that you mentioned rule #1 don't be an ass when this there is a reward in the form of a title for being a troll such as yourself. Trolling usually involves being an ass. Kind of contradictory there. Why do you have such a huge problem with my profanity? You liked DmC, right? That game is littered with middle school dialogue, but I digress. Also dude, read my entire posts before you think about replying. Twice now have you failed to comprehend certain things. Also, let's not bring education into this for your own sake. You'd be making a fool of yourself there.

At this point, I feel uncomfortable with you replying to my posts so I'll ask you again. Please stop replying to my posts. You make me feel extremely uncomfortable. I wish this forum had an ignore button instead of a stupid "respect" button.

When you put your opinions on a public forum for everybody else to see, you put them up for debate. This isn't your blog, don't get all huffy when somebody thinks your opinion sucks.

You've also gone to great lengths to paint yourself as an indelible ass, so don't be surprised when you get a negative response.

[Flame]

At this point, I feel uncomfortable with you replying to my posts so I'll ask you again. Please stop replying to my posts. You make me feel extremely uncomfortable. I wish this forum had an ignore button instead of a stupid "respect" button.

not a button, but we do have an ignore function.

[crisis]

Seriously? Can you just like back off for a second?

No, because as I've said before in another thread, all you do is bitch. Not once have I seen you make a positive post; you can dislike a game without coming off like a dick, a problem you seem to be having. Many people here dislike LoS and they vent their feelings, but, y'know, without acting like a dick in the process. When I "troll," it's in good fun and everyone here knows that. I don't insult anybody's tastes with profanity-laden jargon, and I always respect everyone's opinions even though I may disagree with them (sometimes with harsh criticisms, but never on your ignorant level and nothing's ever personal). But sometimes, there's people like you that come along & say stupid things with clear intentions to rile up the crowd, just like you did in the LoS2-reveal thread. I like to pick them out so they can actually see how dumb they sound, then Jorge steps in if it gets out of hand. So, if you don't want to get called out for saying stupid things, then don't say stupid things.

And since you don't like the direction Castlevania is going (you've made yourself crystal-clear about your opinion on LoS, even before the game was released way back in 2010) then why do you continue to come to this forum? What's the point? I don't like Monster Hunter, should I go on their forum and bitch about how much the games suck and the direction is terrible, and all those fans have poor taste? No, because that would make me look stupid and immature.

And it's funny how you criticize DmC's dialogue, yet you literally talk the same way here. The pot loves to call the kettle black.

At this point, I feel uncomfortable with you replying to my posts so I'll ask you again. Please stop replying to my posts. You make me feel extremely uncomfortable. I wish this forum had an ignore button instead of a stupid "respect" button.

Well your credibility on this forum is already shot, so it's amusing to see you attempt to get your supreme never-ending hatred of LoS across oh so many times.

"I wish this forum had an ignore button." Or you can just stop coming here, ignore this post and go to another forum where people might agree with you. But you just can't do that, as much as you hate Castlevania and think it's dead, can you?

[Rugal]

The amount if butthurt you display.. It is truly remarkable. Now all you're doing is bitching about me bitching.

Anyway, enough of this charade. I've put you on my ignore list. (thanks whoever let me know about the function) I suggest you do the same to me. Adios!