Topic: "Tropes vs Women in Video Games" Launches

[Neobelmont]

You know, since all the women in this thread (including the FE ones) are all good-looking, feminists would probably say they're all just there to attract the "male gaze." I wouldn't count on them being satisfied until there's a game where every single character is a fat, unattractive "person of color" who's also a genderqueer, autistic otherkin. Argh :p

Not nintendo's fault they make girls like Lyn and Lilina  These two are are in my top three( not just because of their looks but because of their character I like Lyn because she's strong,and Lilina while I have not played 6 I do know somethings and from that I like her). But can I ask you all something from it seems that feminists seem to never be happy or overbloat one small detail to turn it being on ridiculous.

What? Regular Logic?! That has no place in this!

Not going to lie I do not get some of the things feminists( I have never really went into this topic at all) are trying to prove(and some examples seem to be crazy). But I'll stick to what I'm saying.

[VladCT]

Not going to lie I do not get some of the things feminists( I have never really went into this topic at all) are trying to prove(and some examples seem to be crazy). But I'll stick to what I'm saying.

Sometimes I think the more extreme ones just want to rule over men with an iron fist.

[Lelygax]

Urban amazons, anyone?

[Lilfut]

Spoiler alert: they're actually middle-class suburban white girls who hate that this generation is short on real problems - no great wars or anything - so they do this to feel like they're accomplishing something.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

You know, since all the women in this thread (including the FE ones) are all good-looking, feminists would probably say they're all just there to attract the "male gaze." I wouldn't count on them being satisfied until there's a game where every single character is a fat, unattractive "person of color" who's also a genderqueer, autistic otherkin. Argh :p

Not all feminists are like this.
Why do I feel like I'm being attacked or lumped/pigeonholed along with the crazier ones?
I would just like a little more equality here and there. I don't think it's too much to ask.



What, now I'm going to be talked about left and right because I'm for equal rights for all?

I actually applaud Nintendo.
Plus Fire Emblem has a slew of character of so many types, it's kinda great.

Also, not every one of 'em is eye candy, but it doesn't matter because they're capable.
I have this chick in my party all the time.


And this one too:


Also, LOL Prince Peasley!

[VladCT]

I don't think any of us were directly addressing you, unless stated otherwise. We were mostly talking about the more extreme feminists, which you're not.

[Gunlord]

+1 to VladCT. You're a lot smarter than most of the other feminists I've seen, Jorgey, so don't take what I'm saying to be against you personally. *purrs at you contentedly*

[Neobelmont]

Not all feminists are like this.
Why do I feel like I'm being attacked or lumped/pigeonholed along with the crazier ones?
I would just like a little more equality here and there. I don't think it's too much to ask.



What, now I'm going to be talked about left and right because I'm for equal rights for all?

I actually applaud Nintendo.
Plus Fire Emblem has a slew of character of so many types, it's kinda great.

Also, not every one of 'em is eye candy, but it doesn't matter because they're capable.
I have this chick in my party all the time.


And this one too:


Also, LOL Prince Peasley!

Doroth from fe6 and meg from RD.

I'm not attacking anyone I just don't have a complete understanding of feminists and from the sound of it there are some over the top ones  with crazy reasoning.

Also you forgot vaida 

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Actually there isn't anything particularly wrong with any of these women.
What I like is that they represents different types of women, not just 'slender weak chick'.

Well, I suppose from my perspective, we scroll back a few pages when someone asked me if I am a feminist and I say 'yea' and why.
And then we scroll to now where it's all "I hate all these feminists who do this that and the other".  But when I question it, you guys say "Not you though.  I'm talking about those OTHER feminists.  You know the type.  **insert some stereotype about feminists**

So of course I will leer at you 'cuz either
1. you think all feminists are obsessed crazy people, which by proxy, says I am crazy and obsessed.
or
2. you do not really understand the term.

Both of these things, I find disturbing.

It's akin to saying "Man I hate that black people do this that and the other... not you though, you're alright.  I'm talking about those OTHER black people.  YOU KNOW THE TYPE **insert horrible stereotype about black people here**".

At least, to me.

Or, like asking someone if they're muslim and when that person says 'yes', then a few pages later hearing some stuff like 'man I hate the way muslims do this and that and the other and are so extreme... not you though, you're alright.  I'm talking about those OTHER muslims... you know the type! **insert horrible stereotype about muslims**"

So of course, I will raise an eyebrow when I read these statements.
Not for nothing but you guys are beginning to sound as such.

[Lelygax]

 It seems that you are misunderstanding some things, atleast I am talking of people that are obsessed with something and tries to push it in everything that they see at their front.

 So its not "1." or "2.", its 3. "People that are extremist, not because of what they defend or because of what they are, but because of the way that they act".
 We are only talking about feminists right now because the topic is about that.

 I've seen people like that saying that "video games are the culprit of it", "video games are the culprit of that", when the real culprit is the person that did it. I dont see people talking about this in movies and receiving the same attention and it simply happens this way because the majority of people know more about movies than games, they use this ignorance to manipulate the great masses in thinking that video games are bad, like they did with witches in the past (Im not talking about this lady now, its a example).

[Neobelmont]

Actually there isn't anything particularly wrong with any of these women.
What I like is that they represents different types of women, not just 'slender weak chick'.

Well, I suppose from my perspective, we scroll back a few pages when someone asked me if I am a feminist and I say 'yea' and why.
And then we scroll to now where it's all "I hate all these feminists who do this that and the other".  But when I question it, you guys say "Not you though.  I'm talking about those OTHER feminists.  You know the type.  **insert some stereotype about feminists**

So of course I will leer at you 'cuz either
1. you think all feminists are obsessed crazy people, which by proxy, says I am crazy and obsessed.
or
2. you do not really understand the term.

Both of these things, I find disturbing.

It's akin to saying "Man I hate that black people do this that and the other... not you though, you're alright.  I'm talking about those OTHER black people.  YOU KNOW THE TYPE **insert horrible stereotype about black people here**".

At least, to me.

Or, like asking someone if they're muslim and when that person says 'yes', then a few pages later hearing some stuff like 'man I hate the way muslims do this and that and the other and are so extreme... not you though, you're alright.  I'm talking about those OTHER muslims... you know the type! **insert horrible stereotype about muslims**"

So of course, I will raise an eyebrow when I read these statements.
Not for nothing but you guys are beginning to sound as such.

 I've never really been in a topic like this so I'm getting some experience.  I think you're the first feminist I've had some form of contact with. I'm not speaking for anyone just my self and trying to understand and state some of the stuff I believe in.  Guess you never really know till you have the pleasure of speaking with one face to face. Typing gets you only so far.

[Neobelmont]

It seems that you are misunderstanding some things, atleast I am talking of people that are obsessed with something and tries to push it in everything that they see at their front. So its not 1 or 2, its 3 - "People that are extremist, not because of what they defend or because of what they are, but because of the way that they act". We are only talking about feminists right now because the topic is about that.

Taking certain things overboard happens with alot of things. Hmm sometimes when things are put a certain way some may not want to hear what that individual wants to say so you got to approach it carfully making sure not to offend or doing anything that might dissuade someone. Hmm it's very though maybe I should go into a speech or debate class.

[Lelygax]

They have debate classes? Nice to know since I didn't knew until now, thanks. xD

[VladCT]

Well this is a very sensitive topic, even asking how to correctly differentiate between equal-rights activists and outright "urban amazons" could very well end up offending the one you don't mean to. I suppose it really is a matter of eloquence.
As for the stereotype issue, I think it's a matter of self-association. I mean, I don't get that offended at the worse stereotypes of whatever group I might be a part of, as those traits don't describe who I am as an individual.

[Neobelmont]

They have debate classes? Nice to know since I didn't knew until now, thanks. xD

or clubs(I recall this as a club in high school) I have to ask my political science teacher about that. I'm foggy on that actually. I want to say that there is sorry if that was misinforming 

Speech I do know about was talking to a girl a two days ago about that.