Topic: On the LoS series

[darkwzrd4]

Heh! You make it sound like the series being rebooted and no longer resembling Castlevania is, like, not a big deal or anything. As if we should just shrug about it and say, "oh well," even if it was something we knew and loved :p

That's not likely to happen. Even you admit that many of us have made a large emotional investment to the series. Us actually caring about the series going down the toilet actually shows that.

EDIT:
Actually, in my opinion, the series has already gone down the toilet. You'd have to use a seriously hardcore plunger to bring it back :p

All I was saying, is that people are still complaining about the reboot even though it happened something like two and a half years ago. I wasn't happy about the reboot either, but unlike SOME PEOPLE, I grieved for a bit and then I moved on like Leon Belmont likely did. Whereas SOME PEOPLE are acting like Mathias did and refuse to move on.

If Konami (or someone else) goes to back to the old cannon, I'd be very happy about it. There's still the "DEMON CASTLE WAR" (1999 game), the sequel to SotN which probably explains why the Belmont's are out of the picture until 1999, and the nearly 400 year period between LoI and CV3. And that's not even including some of the potential side-story games that can be made like perhaps a game starring Sypha before she was turned to stone by the cyclops.

[Flame]

Yknow, if Cox and MS did anything with the LoS universe post LoS2, You know what I'd love to see? Something taking place before loS, where you control the Founders of the Brotherhood. Zobek, Carmilla, and Cornell. Maybe a CV3-ish thing where you play as all 3, and each one has their own strengths, particularly with their Relics, the ones Gabriel gets in LoS. Cornell would have the ability to sprint/dash and have speedy movement, Carmilla would have the ability to double jump or fly for short periods of time, (supposedly the Seraph shoulders were capable of flight before she became a Lord of Shadow, so maybe aerial mobility would be her thing) And Zobek...

Actually, that's interesting, but we never really learned of any particular Relic bestowed upon Zobek... The Black Knight Gauntlet is a demonic relic, so that's out, unless you contrive that Zobek had a similar, holy gauntlet, or just make up something new for him.

Lessee. They all seem to be mobility based, but after running fast and flying, what else can you really do?

Either way- I think that would be a neat concept for a Pre-LoS game. Play as the order founders before they became the Lords of Shadow.  The main antagonists, or one of- could be the Bernhards, We keep hearing of how evil and terrible they were, We could actually see them in a game like this. Friedrich Von Frankenstein, who again was mentioned in LoS as having inhabited the castle and been tortured by Carmilla once she became it's Lord, and finally, the Forgotten One, whom LoS mentions was sealed by the founders.

[crisis]

Such a game would then ceize to be "Castlevania" as we know it, as there would be no Belmont(s), and no Dracula. They could make it an entirely new IP with loose ties to the LoS-verse and none would be the wiser (except us, of course). A spin-off of the LoS series if you will.

There's also the Necromantic Wars that was described in LoS, the fact that the Titans were created to combat the Lycans, the Aghartheans, etc.

[darkwzrd4]

Yknow, if Cox and MS did anything with the LoS universe post LoS2, You know what I'd love to see? Something taking place before loS, where you control the Founders of the Brotherhood. Zobek, Carmilla, and Cornell. Maybe a CV3-ish thing where you play as all 3, and each one has their own strengths, particularly with their Relics, the ones Gabriel gets in LoS. Cornell would have the ability to sprint/dash and have speedy movement, Carmilla would have the ability to double jump or fly for short periods of time, (supposedly the Seraph shoulders were capable of flight before she became a Lord of Shadow, so maybe aerial mobility would be her thing) And Zobek...

Actually, that's interesting, but we never really learned of any particular Relic bestowed upon Zobek... The Black Knight Gauntlet is a demonic relic, so that's out, unless you contrive that Zobek had a similar, holy gauntlet, or just make up something new for him.

Lessee. They all seem to be mobility based, but after running fast and flying, what else can you really do?

Either way- I think that would be a neat concept for a Pre-LoS game. Play as the order founders before they became the Lords of Shadow.  The main antagonists, or one of- could be the Bernhards, We keep hearing of how evil and terrible they were, We could actually see them in a game like this. Friedrich Von Frankenstein, who again was mentioned in LoS as having inhabited the castle and been tortured by Carmilla once she became it's Lord, and finally, the Forgotten One, whom LoS mentions was sealed by the founders.

There's also the Necromantic Wars that was described in LoS, the fact that the Titans were created to combat the Lycans, the Aghartheans, etc.

Those are great ideas. You could consider them "side-entries" to the series. Such games would only deepen our understanding of that timeline. Let's see Cornell would be a warrior (probably using that hammer he used in our against us in our fight against him, Zobek was said to be a wizard (Laura mentions it in Reverie), and I have no idea how Camilla would fight.

A game about the founders could be set up by having three stories (one for each of the founders) and each story would fit together in the end. If done right, it could be an great game.

Oh, and crisis...about the Necromantic Wars...the Titans weren't used against the Aghartians. The Titans were created by the Aghartians to fight in the wars.

[Flame]

It's not like Castlevania is a stranger to games without Belmonts (Bloodlines, 64/LoD, PoR, technically OoE,)  or Dracula. (Technically LoI, Technically HoD, AoS, DoS, Technically LoS,)

And of course they would be side games, spin offs. I just enjoy the LoSverse and it's backstory and shit. The Aghartan stuff would be interesting too, but that would have a bad end, since we know who won that. And that would be even more spin off-y considering there would be no character we know, to play as. a Brotherhood spin off with the founders would be much more likely.

Or a comic/minimovie/whatever, that's cool too, but a Game would be neat.

Let's see Cornell would be a warrior (probably using that hammer he used in our against us in our fight against him, Zobek was said to be a wizard (Laura mentions it in Reverie), and I have no idea how Camilla would fight.

I always figured Zobek would fight with a sword, like in LoS. Even his portrait has one. It's Carmilla I would imagine with magic.

Although that's not to say all three could use magic. Cornell uses Shadow magic in LoS, and Carmilla uses force lightning. or was that Zobek? I dont remember.

[Reinhart77]

Yknow, if Cox and MS did anything with the LoS universe post LoS2, You know what I'd love to see? Something taking place before loS, where you control the Founders of the Brotherhood. Zobek, Carmilla, and Cornell. Maybe a CV3-ish thing where you play as all 3, and each one has their own strengths, particularly with their Relics, the ones Gabriel gets in LoS. Cornell would have the ability to sprint/dash and have speedy movement, Carmilla would have the ability to double jump or fly for short periods of time, (supposedly the Seraph shoulders were capable of flight before she became a Lord of Shadow, so maybe aerial mobility would be her thing) And Zobek...

Actually, that's interesting, but we never really learned of any particular Relic bestowed upon Zobek... The Black Knight Gauntlet is a demonic relic, so that's out, unless you contrive that Zobek had a similar, holy gauntlet, or just make up something new for him.

Lessee. They all seem to be mobility based, but after running fast and flying, what else can you really do?

Either way- I think that would be a neat concept for a Pre-LoS game. Play as the order founders before they became the Lords of Shadow.  The main antagonists, or one of- could be the Bernhards, We keep hearing of how evil and terrible they were, We could actually see them in a game like this. Friedrich Von Frankenstein, who again was mentioned in LoS as having inhabited the castle and been tortured by Carmilla once she became it's Lord, and finally, the Forgotten One, whom LoS mentions was sealed by the founders.

Wow, I like all those ideas. 

[Ahasverus]

Such a game would then ceize to be "Castlevania" as we know it, as there would be no Belmont(s), and no Dracula. They could make it an entirely new IP with loose ties to the LoS-verse and none would be the wiser (except us, of course). A spin-off of the LoS series if you will.

There's also the Necromantic Wars that was described in LoS, the fact that the Titans were created to combat the Lycans, the Aghartheans, etc.

Yeah. The thing is, we could have a Castlevania with those elements/stories already, becasue they are part of the lore now.

[crisis]

Then why not have a game that covers the Crusades? It could play like Dynasty Warriors but 100x better because anything's better than Dynasty Warriors.  At least it would have a Belmont. It could be a prequel to LoI and explore the relationship between Leon & Matthias, and the player could be under Matthias command while playing as one of Leon's comrades. Hell, it could even be a MMORPG.

[Lelygax]

I prefer Sengoku Basara than Dynasty Warriors and something like your idea could work.

[Pfil]

but 100x better because anything's better than Dynasty Warriors

Hahahahaha! That one made me laugh!!!

Whereas SOME PEOPLE are acting like Mathias did and refuse to move on.

But you have a point.
I say this with respect.
I've been looking where to move on, but I can't.
Castlevania is the only place that can provide me with specific feelings and emotions.
I just can't forget what it's used to be. For someone so passionate and invested as myself, it's like losing my first and only love.
So I guess I just have to wait, and hope for the best.
It's not easy to put it in words.

[Shiroi Koumori]

Amazing game ideas mentioned above!

Is anyone from Konami reading our messages? (do they even know we exist?)
Now is the right time to get fan ideas and bring them into fruition, since the LOS trilogy is ending.
And we are greatly in need of a new Castlevania.

[Flame]

I dunno that loi really needs a prequel to a prequel..  we know what we need to know about the duo. theres nothing special about their prr loi events. maybe a supplemental media like a comic, but game? id rather something between loi and cv3

the founders meanwhile, have a wealth of stuff to draw from. magic powers from the start, allowing for interesting gameplay, and chronicled exploits against the supernatural, with the bernhards summoning and loosing shit, and Frankenstein

[Rugal]

What they need to do is make Castlevania its own thing instead of trying to take bits and pieces from other games.. Mainly God of War. It isn't working out for them. I'll admit, the story is okay, but other than that the game is extremely generic and sub-par. Oh, the graphics are decent too I guess. A big reason why I think Castlevania should be given to Platinum games is because they have an extreme amount of originality when it comes to their games. They don't say "hey this worked for god of war let's just be lazy and copy + paste this into our game, and while we're at it let's just use some stock music too"

Oh and do away with titan boss fights. They suck and are more boring than watching paint dry. Stop trying to be Shadow of the Colossus.

[Successor The Cruel]

All I was saying, is that people are still complaining about the reboot even though it happened something like two and a half years ago. I wasn't happy about the reboot either, but unlike SOME PEOPLE, I grieved for a bit and then I moved on like Leon Belmont likely did.

I don't think you're talking about me personally, but to relate my own experience, I have moved on. On a personal level, I can't really even bring myself to work on my Castlevania website because I just can't be bothered to care anymore. I care a lot about my website (hence why I still pay for it), but I don't care that much about Castlevania at the moment. I'm on the internet as much as ever, but don't visit Castlevania forums daily like I used to, and spend hours a day on them. I'll be doing good just to pop in a couple times in a month. And when I do, I always mostly see people talking about ways in which the series can be repaired, or hopes that it can. I mainly stop by to check up on some private messages, and while I'm in the area, I'll see what people are talking about for a few minutes.

I care about other things now. When I think back to Castlevania, it's always a very bittersweet feeling. More bitter than sweet at the moment. I'm more or less at the point where I'm apathetic about whatever the series is doing. I didn't even know Mirror of Fate was out until yesterday, to be honest. I have not played it, but I've seen gameplay and promo videos for it, and I wasn't the least bit interested. It doesn't look like something that would captivate me at all.

[Sumac]

A big reason why I think Castlevania should be given to Platinum games is because they have an extreme amount of originality when it comes to their games.

Once again, I ask the question, that was dodged several times already - Platinum Games maybe make an awesome action, with lots of cinematographic action and crazy effects, but is it capable to create a good Castlevania?
I am saying this because Castlevania from them, most likely, will be what Twins Snakes to the original Metal Gear Solid - lots of bullet time and the like. The question is will it all fit to the Castlevania game, better than what LOS did? I am afraid, that Castlevania from them will compared to the chinese action movies with "wire-fu" and it will create another shitstorm about "Castlevania identity" and what should be and should not be in the series.

I don't think you're talking about me personally, but to relate my own experience, I have moved on. On a personal level, I can't really even bring myself to work on my Castlevania website because I just can't be bothered to care anymore

It's more like an opposite to the "moved on". I don't see a point to invest so much into fictional universes. They come and go, have they high and lows. Those should be expected and not taking as the tragedy.