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Carrie, Sonia, and Shanoa are lead characters.
I don't think that Carrie 'assists' Reinhardt, as their quests are concurrent.

Ideally, they would meet up while in their travels and both would defeat Dracula but that's about as likely to be explained as to how Trevor defeated Dracula with all three of his allies.  It's just assumed that they did some kind of an assault.

My part of the fluctuation of this conversation happens only when people bring up the (ill-conceived) notion that in a videogame with all the fantastic stuff I described previously, that it's unreasonable for a female lead, etc..  I'm not debating whether there should be more or should be less female leads (though personally I welcome it), but saying "Well we shouldn't have one 'cuz back in the day, blah blah women didn't have those roles blah blah more gender crap blah blah males are stronger blah blah" sounds like a dated notion.  It's a little disingenuous when playing a game that's essentially a fantasy, to shoehorn archaic male/female gender roles from our ancient times.

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My assumption came from you posting that you didn't like any of the 3D CV games. It's one thing to finish a game, but another thing to actually KNOW it.
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If I finish the game, you can be freaking sure that I'll finish it 100%. My point still stands. I don't see previous Castlevania in LoS (besides some elements that they purposely kept there to attract the older fanbase, but of course. But there are 10% of the game, it's a whole new thing).

This conversation keeps fluctuating as if people on occasion completely forget there have been several playable female characters already. And as if it would be a monumental if there is to be more in the future.

Seriously, people. Castlevania is about the last series I'd shoehorn a political gender statement in - because it has a sexist agenda about as much as an episode of MacGyver. It is actually fairly innocent in this world of ours. If I were worried or interested in marching for this cause, I'd focus my energy on loathsome gangsta simulators or the plethora of other drivel that exists. Not a series where you whip walls for pot roasts and decorate rooms.
And considering Anita's series about woman in games... I don't think it's the last time you'll see the argument at all.
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I thought we were just talking about female Belmonts here, but ok.

Also, nobody here is cringing, nagging, complaining, whining etc about anything. If some people want more playable heroines that's perfectly fine and reasonable. 

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No, I wasn't complaining either. I just wanted MS to include a playable female character (doesn't matter if it's a lead character), because that way I can get more easily lost in the fantasy of being transported to another world.
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I hope they don't... unless they have a real reason for her. I like having a female lead, but I want a reason, not just having one to have one.

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A DLC chapter with Sypha set in her times, maybe?
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No, I wasn't complaining either. I just wanted MS to include a playable female character (doesn't matter if it's a lead character), because that way I can get more easily lost in the fantasy of being transported to another world.

Is it really that significant? I don't have a problem getting immersed in the game, regardless of what shaped polygons or pixels are coded beneath the player character's pants. Loads of other things contribute to that.
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Of course there's a lot of things. Soundtrack, level design and general locations, immersive and intuitive gameplay, catching and emotional story...
It's just that sometimes female characters make me feel more in the skin of the character. Like it's really me who is inside the castle, for instance.
Maybe for men players it's different. Or maybe it's just me.
But if I had to choose, look and music come first, at least.
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I may be wrong but it seems people just won't be completely happy until they see a reimagined Sonia or Sonia re-instated in the canon, and she MUST be the main character on the box; which we already got in Shanoa, but some people only give her half-credit because she doesn't have a "Whip Glyph."

Right. My intuition tells me that there's an underlying issue to this, and it specifically involves Sonia Belmont and some feeling it was a great injustice to remove that girl from the timeline. Give these people female leads and they're still not happy, despite those leads being much better characters and in much better games o___o

As I mentioned, Legends is a game that turned Castlevania on its head with its weird story, proclaimed to be the beginning of the saga, which is somewhat disappointing as it's very unremarkable, and is often thought of to be one of the worst games in the series, and that's only among those who actually know about it, which, comparatively, is not that many people, as it's very obscure and rare. Frankly, I would rather Konami not revisit anything from that. I appreciate that they make new female characters who, in my mind, are much better than Legends' Sonia.

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All of this ish about Castlevania being politically correct and not one mention of the fact that there has never been one character of African descent in a CV game, much less a playable character.
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All of this ish about Castlevania being politically correct and not one mention of the fact that there has never been one character of African descent in a CV game, much less a playable character.
Mummies come from Africa.   :P

Seriously though, I get your point.  You'd think they would have had some kind of Witch Doctor or Blade expy by now. 

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He is darn it. If there was a live action flim of cv he would be played by Samuel L. freaking Jackson.
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Right. My intuition tells me that there's an underlying issue to this, and it specifically involves Sonia Belmont and some feeling it was a great injustice to remove that girl from the timeline. Give these people female leads and they're still not happy, despite those leads being much better characters and in much better games o___o

While I think Shanoa is a good lead character as well as others like N64's Carrie, they aren't of the main Belmont family line and aren't using the vampirekiller. This is my beef with the series. Konami nor any of the past CV directors have no excuses what-so-ever about this issue.

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He is darn it. If there was a live action flim of cv he would be played by Samuel L. freaking Jackson.

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