Topic: Save your criticism

[Lelygax]

I know what bagatela means, we use this word here in my country.

[Pfil]

I know what bagatela means, we use this word here in my country.

Not so much in mine, but I'm aware of it existence. It's just I didn't know how to express it in english.

[Lelygax]

you expressed it correctly, its something cheap, cheap as in price, monetary value. Like in the phrase "I've paid a bagatela for it".

[Dark Nemesis]

Well, here in my country it's a common word, meaning junk....

[Lelygax]

What is a bagatela?! A miserable pile of junk!

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

A pittance.

[The Silverlord]

I don't understand why objective talk about music theory would sadden anyone. How would anyone learn about something if not by studying it? Study is what divides the line between amateurs and the rest, with all respect.

You could study all the music theory in the world, and still compose something that someone with a 'trained ear' didn't like and hence would be labelled an 'amateur' by someone on the internet.  Your man's amateur is another man's, er, David Bowie . . . or something.

Also, let's forget timing, tonality, practice, hard work and effort.  Forget soul and feeling,  intuition, eccentricity, personality.

I bet there are musicians out there who would give their left ear to have some soul and feeling in their music when they've become too confined or ingrained within theory and technique.

Caveat: but, yes, of course knowledge and study are still important, you're right.

[Ahasverus]

If going by "objective talk" hate for the LoS soundtrack will be MORE unjustifable as in a pure musical sense is a GREAT soundtrack, essays could be writen on why, but the fact it won an international award in which the judges are composers talk by itself. Some of those "nobodies" include Michael Giacchino  and James Newton Howard, and those people picked the LoS soundtrack over every OST in the videogame world in 2010 which had the likes of Hanz Zimmer composing Modern Warfare and Crysis 2 competing against it.

[Neobelmont]

what in the world have I missed?

We are talking about LoS soundtract right? If so it's leagues better than say Dante's inferno and bayonetta and a bunch of others in my opinion At least I can remember a song or two from the soundtrack 

As for music theory and all that jazz I say screw it(when one gets down to it not awhole lot of people are going to study  music like that )  try to be fancy all you want bottom lines is if you like it or don't and if you don't well next time. I'm going into music II in a couple weeks and if a song sound good I'll like it if not bleh   

[Belmontoya]

Robert Plant didn't study music theory or have any undertanding of it until he was well into his 50's. Real musical talent is innate. It cannot be taught. Anyone can be taught theory, or to play an instrument. But you cannot teach someone how to write beautiful music. You can only strengthen a talent that was already there with it. And with some artists, too much theory training has the opposite effect and puts them in a state of writers block. Innate ability is the only real thing separates the amateurs from the experts.

All theory does is provide a language, guidlines, and concepts that may or may not be useful for those who wish to follow them.

Furthermore, musical theory most certainly does not provide you with a tool for judging what good or bad music is. And if you think that's what it does, you are misunderstanding the point of it.

[beingthehero]

I'd much rather have Michael Giacchino than Aruajo do the music. Michael Giacchino definitely pulled off the "epic orchestral music that sticks in your head for days" with the soundtracks for the original Medal of Honor games.

Medal of Honor Soundtrack 8. Rjuken Sabotage - Michael Giacchino


Good lord i miss those games ;____;

[Lelygax]

If going by "objective talk" hate for the LoS soundtrack will be MORE unjustifable as in a pure musical sense is a GREAT soundtrack, essays could be writen on why, but the fact it won an international award in which the judges are composers talk by itself. Some of those "nobodies" include Michael Giacchino  and James Newton Howard, and those people picked the LoS soundtrack over every OST in the videogame world in 2010 which had the likes of Hanz Zimmer composing Modern Warfare and Crysis 2 competing against it.

 Its useless... Its all useless.

Sengoku Basara 3 OST: Disc 2 - 33. The Sixth Devil King Revives HQ

Sengoku Basara 3 OST: Disc 2 - 34. The Abyss (Nobunaga Oda's Theme) HQ

This is from 2010 and is much more fun to hear, it seems that they seem to omit eastern titles then. Also these are only examples, feel free to hear the entire OST.

inb4 this game have been released in US too. I doesnt know what videogame world means to them, but it seem that world means America and Europe, and videogame means games that everyone is talking about, instead of doing a real research. Since its the best in the world for 2010, I expected some less known titles.

I dont know who these guys are, for real, so some enlightment could be good for me. But if I understood everything right, these so called critics (not only them, in general) should be more impartial. Also, Goldeneye Wii is from 2010? Because if so, there is another good one.

[Ahasverus]

Well, James Newton Howard composed Batman Negins and King Kong, for example, Giachinno composed and won an oscar for UP.
And no, those songs that you posted are not more musically rich than the los soundtrack, they might be "cool" or "badass" but not musically rich.
That year other nominees were

Dark Void, music by Bear McCreary
James Bond 007: Blood Stone, music by Richard Jacques
Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga’hoole, music by Winifred Phillips
Lego Universe, music by Brian Tyler

They definetly not looked at "mainstream only" games. I certainly can argue with you guys, but I can't argue with James fucking newton howard and michael the boss giachimo. I really can't.

[DragonSlayr81]

The saying, "I might not know art, but I know what I like." springs to mind.

[Ahasverus]

The saying, "I might not know art, but I know what I like." springs to mind.

And that's completely fair