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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2013, 10:48:52 PM »
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Some info:

-I think the Rondo of Blood Dracula stage3' thing is made simpler in The DraculaX Chronicles, where the silhouette is even easier to identify.
-Carmilla's Castle in Circle of the Moon is not in Romania, but in Austria, I believe, and he resides there for a while.
-Dracula exists in The Castle Proserpina with Elizabeth in England.
-Also, the other examples people mentioned.
-In Lords of Shadow's epilogue, he's residing in an abandoned church somewhere in a city.  That's most likely not his castle. :P

So it's safe to say that he can leave the castle.
This also matches the stories in Bram Stoker's Dracula, both book and movie.

It's possible that his power is weaker outside of the castle but 'citation needed'. :P

Maybe as long as he's got 'earth from his property' it'll work just fine, like in Bram Stoker's novel?

Of course someone has to beat me to it XD as long as he has dirt from his castle he can go anywhere he used it on his ship iirc.


So he's the prince of the Castle or whatever, not the world greatest threat.  The worst part is that he didn't leave his place at dawn, no, he never left his damn chair in 25 years, come on. I love the games as much as the next guy but trying to find a compelling villain in there is a fool's errand. The worst part is that the new series didn't give us that, as Dracul is a little more in the "tragic hero" side. Until the next reboot then, I fear.
This is my BIGGEST rant reason to the series, it's my favorite one but I'll argue until the end of time, no matter the developer no matter the quality even until I can have a villain good enough to match the potential of the series.

This is my little confession: Castlevania frustrates me.
It might as well be the series with the biggest potential in the medium (hell, it has the biggest potential to be /cross medium/) but for 25 years it's been met with such... baffling choices and managements, it makes me sad to think of what could be.

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Not the only one man it ranks up there with Zelda and stuff it's greatest advantage is that it's able to grab from so much yet it's not used to it's greatest ability . But dracs drac  :)
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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2013, 01:00:28 AM »
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I've been wondering about this for years. Here's one fanon explonation.

Chaos gives Dracula immense power, but his curse confines him to stay inside the castle. The further he gets away from the castle and longer he stays, the weaker he gets. Think of the Castle as coffin of some vampire lore. I think essentially Drac got duped somehow or accepted this fate, because all he cared/cares is/was killing humans and cursing God. He's the lord of the castle, but he depends on its presence.

All in all, Drac is not and has never been the real big bad. He's a (willing?) puppet of chaos and, ironically, human wickedness.


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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2013, 01:45:44 AM »
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... Dracul is a little more in the "tragic hero" side.

I would go as far as saying that's all he is. Outside of cut scenes and back story anyway. Let's not forget that the only game in the trilogy where he appears as a boss he's encountered in the same throne room as in the original timeline.
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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2013, 03:55:57 AM »
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Thats not a proof, because we need to prove that this shadowy figure is Dracula, a thing that even IGA knows as he stated in a interview xD

I'm pretty sure IGA confirmed in an interview that it was Dracula. What more proof do you need?  :P

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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2013, 04:19:06 AM »
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A question that pops in my mind that in one of the endings of Castlevania 2 and in the beginning of Super Castlevania 4,  Dracula pops out of the grave. Is the grave even near to the castle? And does the previously destroyed castle rebuild itself before his arrival or at the time he reaches its location in this world or in another dimension? 
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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2013, 04:57:26 AM »
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I can answer the castle question. The castle can be summoned with or without its master.

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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2013, 05:05:54 AM »
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Yeah I thought as much :D I just wonder if Dracula comes back and castle is waiting for him and he is like honey I am home :P or does he have to enter through a dimension and get back his impounded castle.

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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2013, 07:37:34 AM »
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That grave is also incredibly similar to the grave in Super Castlevania IV, which is why some people for a while thought Super Castlevania IV was a sequel to Simon's Quest (the intro text certainly did not help).

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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2013, 08:07:05 AM »
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Well as a kid I thought of sequel too. Still I do like Dracula rising out of Grave better in SC 4 then in Castlevania 2. Maybe Simon or previous Belmont buried him outside of Castle before 4 so he would be weaker.

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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2013, 09:52:37 AM »
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If it is true that Dracula can't leave Castlevania, then he is probably the biggest threat and yet the smallest threat at the same time. I mean theoretically all you would have to do is put a gigantic holy/dimensional barrier around it to prevent his minions from getting out and that's that. Threat neutralized.

I hope that it isn't the case in the LoS saga (even though it already appears to be the case) and that who ever gets the series next decides to allow Dracula some more freedom and lets him out of the castle without any consequences.
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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2013, 10:09:50 AM »
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Concerning Dracula in the LoS series:

After Simon and Alucard team up to defeat him, right before Simon delivers the deathblow Dracula teleports away, so he must've fled the castle upon it's destruction.

In the LoS epilogue, that church he's hiding in was built around the remains of the castle, which is why Zobek has to smash through that sealed wall to get to him (pretty sure Cox confirmed this in one of his tweets). He's also briefly seen wandering on the street in the LoS2 trailer.

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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2013, 10:33:56 AM »
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If it is true that Dracula can't leave Castlevania, then he is probably the biggest threat and yet the smallest threat at the same time. I mean theoretically all you would have to do is put a gigantic holy/dimensional barrier around it to prevent his minions from getting out and that's that. Threat neutralized.

Except that his minions don't all come from the castle. There's hordes of them around the countryside in SQ, even though the castle is down. Or just simply bodies risen from the graves, like in Rondo's intro.


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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2013, 01:29:36 PM »
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I think Dracula could leave the castle. I mean, many accounts his resurrection was held outside of the castle's grounds(CV1/Chronicles and RoB he's seeming resurrected in an old defunct monestary). I don't think he needs the castle to exist more than it's an extention of his will. It's become something like a machine that he powers as it's battery. How far his control goes outside of the castle is the real question(there's perhaps some control if the castle immediately comes "alive" when he's resurrected, even if it's out of the castle grounds), but I doubt he can leave if he pleases and still retain his powers even if he does. He just chooses not to.

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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2013, 01:59:34 PM »
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I'm pretty sure IGA confirmed in an interview that it was Dracula. What more proof do you need?  :P

You remember the site where I can find it? I've also seen a interview where he says that even he doesnt know the answer, but I've never seen a interview where he says otherwise. Im interested in this now :(
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Re: Can Dracula leave the Castle?
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2013, 05:48:01 PM »
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Oh and has anyone mentioned the Bram Stoker explanation that Dracula carried boxes of the earth he was buried in and planted said boxes in different places in London so he would be able to return to it to rest? Depending on how canonical you consider the book to be to CV lore that could settle this question rather quickly.

So he's the prince of the Castle or whatever, not the world greatest threat.  The worst part is that he didn't leave his place at dawn, no, he never left his damn chair in 25 years, come on. I love the games as much as the next guy but trying to find a compelling villain in there is a fool's errand. The worst part is that the new series didn't give us that, as Dracul is a little more in the "tragic hero" side. Until the next reboot then, I fear.
This is my BIGGEST rant reason to the series, it's my favorite one but I'll argue until the end of time, no matter the developer no matter the quality even until I can have a villain good enough to match the potential of the series.

This is my little confession: Castlevania frustrates me.
It might as well be the series with the biggest potential in the medium (hell, it has the biggest potential to be /cross medium/) but for 25 years it's been met with such... baffling choices and managements, it makes me sad to think of what could be.

And sorry, I know this is me right now:

Hm I don't agree with your assessment but I think I understand and can sympathize with it.
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