Topic: Can Dracula leave the Castle?

[Dracula9]

Bear in mind this is on the assumption the player gets the good ending. The bad one will result in Serena being turned. You can imagine how that goes. I'm also planning on having Dracula's mentality allude towards him losing Elisabetha, but not be totally aware of his past life. He'll have the pain be his motivator for taking Serena (and also to give that pain to Simon and potentially halt the continuation of the Belmont line), but the memory is mostly gone.

[Lelygax]

It seems that you think like me in some aspects, I dont think that he is not aware of his past life (atleast until symphony) but I think that he kidnaps ladies only to make humans feel the same thing that he have gone through in the past.

[Dracula9]

Honestly, I don't think the conjunction between Elisabetha from LoI and Lisa from Symphony were thought about UNTIL Lament, myself. If it even was at all. It's hard to think about it from a full plot perspective if that's the case (which I really think it is). I don't think Dracula retains all memories from being Mathias, personally. I think he slowly loses more of his humanity with each successive resurrection, as that involves some form of being bathed in pure evil and chaos (or something like that). That being said, memory of events and memory of emotion are not mutually exclusive. I think he can remember the pain caused him by humanity and "good," but not entirely so what those completely were.

[darkwzrd4]

I've always wondered how Dracula met Lisa. Maybe, before when the Belmonts were still exiled (before CV3), Dracula would occasionally go out for blood himself and happened to notice Lisa walking around one night and stirred something within him. It could have been "love" (or maybe lust) at first sight for him and he could have started to seduce her and eventually she came to live in the castle. Eventually, she puts up with enough of the evil in the castle and leaves with their son. Years later, a plague comes through the village and Lisa uses her knowledge of herbs (which she could have learned from someone or something in the castle) to help reduce to suffering of the sick (she probably couldn't cure them). The religious authorities mistake her use of herbs for witchcraft and execute her. I bet that the execution was done during the day so even if he still loved her and knew where she lived, he wouldn't be able to save her. Humans killed to one person he loved, but he didn't know who so they had to die.

My guess is that with each resurrection, he forgets more and eventually forgets why he wants to exterminate all humans. It's only when confronted by someone he has an emotional attachment to (like Alucard) that he remembers things.

As for why he doesn't leave much, he probably hates the humans so much that he won't get his kill them himself. Or, he just thinks it's beneath him.

[A-Yty]

Except that Mathias wasn't evil before Lisa was murdered. I mean, he wasn't a nice guy before. Having your best friend's betrothed vampirized and using him as a pawn are not nice things to do. But he wasn't like evil in a kill-everyone-kind-of-way. Not quite a dark lord. According to IGA, Mathias lived rather peacefully until Lisa died.

[Lelygax]

I've always wondered how Dracula met Lisa.

Lisa treated his wounds. Atleast that is what I've read somewhere.

Or, he just thinks it's beneath him.

Thats what I think.

Honestly, I don't think the conjunction between Elisabetha from LoI and Lisa from Symphony were thought about UNTIL Lament, myself. If it even was at all. It's hard to think about it from a full plot perspective if that's the case (which I really think it is). I don't think Dracula retains all memories from being Mathias, personally. I think he slowly loses more of his humanity with each successive resurrection, as that involves some form of being bathed in pure evil and chaos (or something like that). That being said, memory of events and memory of emotion are not mutually exclusive. I think he can remember the pain caused him by humanity and "good," but not entirely so what those completely were.

Oh, you are talking about Mathias memories, I was talking about his memories as Dracula. Its obvious that after SoTN he starts to forgot things and lose is real motive, to me he is like a empty jar after hearing Lisa's last words.

[Dracula9]

See, that's something about the series that's always bothered me. You'd think after hearing her true final words, especially with the message they were carrying, Dracula would have had some sort of revelation/epiphany and die peacefully. But no, he keeps on coming back and causing shenanigans. So, either there's yet another plothole in CV's timeline, or Dracula's intentions are relevant to the intentions of those who resurrect him before his time, I think. That case is pretty fucking disturbing, in that it renders Dracula a literal puppet to chaos and/or the evil desires in the hearts of those who summon him (man, talk about getting Shafted), and it really downplays him as a villain and makes him more of a tragic Faust than anything. Which kind of defeats his purpose as Dark Lord/Demon King, IMO.

I've always wondered how Dracula met Lisa. Maybe, before when the Belmonts were still exiled (before CV3), Dracula would occasionally go out for blood himself and happened to notice Lisa walking around one night and stirred something within him. It could have been "love" (or maybe lust) at first sight for him and he could have started to seduce her and eventually she came to live in the castle. Eventually, she puts up with enough of the evil in the castle and leaves with their son. Years later, a plague comes through the village and Lisa uses her knowledge of herbs (which she could have learned from someone or something in the castle) to help reduce to suffering of the sick (she probably couldn't cure them). The religious authorities mistake her use of herbs for witchcraft and execute her. I bet that the execution was done during the day so even if he still loved her and knew where she lived, he wouldn't be able to save her. Humans killed to one person he loved, but he didn't know who so they had to die.

My view on that has always been that of Lisa being an exception (this is on the assumption that she and Elisabetha aren't the same person/reincarnation. I know they look different, but Dracula drastically changes forms sometimes (DXC's Spanish look, anyone?)) amidst the humans. It would have to be that she was the only human who didn't look at Dracula as a monster, but as a man, and could love him for she bore no prejudice in her heart. That would naturally come as a surprise to the guy who's spent centuries being called "monster" and had his death sought for just as long. I would imagine that not only served as more than enough for him to spare her, but enough for him to regain just enough of his humanity to love her. I'd kill(or just savagely maim) for Konami to release something that told the story of their time together.

Buuuuuut, then assholes had to happen and piss him off again. Oh, joy. I wouldn't mind a trailer or something showing his massacre the night after. That'd be fun.

[darkwzrd4]

Well, after LoI, he only hated God for taking away someone he loved deeply. He became a vampire to defy God's decree of limited life for humans. I don't really think he hated humans until after Lisa was killed.

[Dracula9]

I'm sure they had to be a nuisance to him, though. I mean, there's a seven hundred year gap between Lament and Symphony. If he didn't harbor some degree of contempt for humans during that period, why would it have taken THAT long for him to fall for someone? I'm sure there would have been at least one other human female who was good-hearted in that span.

Also, I just realized this whole tangent is eerily similar to Sparda's tale in the (original canon) Devil May Cry plot.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

I think that, upon dying and returning, something is always lost, but the 'instincts'... the underlying raw, bare emotions, those desires... that is what manifests.

Anger, Rage, Hatred, Lust... Hunger...

...I think I saw somewhere that that's the reason zombies are still able to move.... their unending hunger is one of the baser instincts, and thus, it is what keeps them moving upon being reanimated.

So upon being resurrected, Dracula's memories become blurry, but he seems to remember the hatred; that hatred for humans.  At times he seems to remember where it came from.  Other times, he has a very one-track mind and lmost no fortitude nor desire to tactically carry out a full-blown plan (which we also have discussed as being so possibly due to early resurrections taking yet another toll on both his strength and his mind).

[KaZudra]

I think that, upon dying and returning, something is always lost, but the 'instincts'... the underlying raw, bare emotions, those desires... that is what manifests.

Anger, Rage, Hatred, Lust... Hunger...

...I think I saw somewhere that that's the reason zombies are still able to move.... their unending hunger is one of the baser instincts, and thus, it is what keeps them moving upon being reanimated.

So upon being resurrected, Dracula's memories become blurry, but he seems to remember the hatred; that hatred for humans.  At times he seems to remember where it came from.  Other times, he has a very one-track mind and lmost no fortitude nor desire to tactically carry out a full-blown plan (which we also have discussed as being so possibly due to early resurrections taking yet another toll on both his strength and his mind).

This is also relative to LoS's Dracula, where as in the Trailer in LoS2 he wonders how he has got there and slowly remembers his past.

If this also applies to the Main CV Timeline, it would make sense since post-SoTN it seems Dracula is always being killed shortly after resurrection.

[TheouAegis]

Or maybe being "dead" for Dracula is just like a severe coma. He's brain dead, really. When they resurrect him, his brain has been dead for not just months or years, but for decades. When a person is comatose for months (or year), if and when they regain consciousness, there's typically some memory loss. Now multiply that by 20 or 30 or even 50. Then multiply that by how many times someone lopped off big D's head. That's some serious potential memory loss. But then, since the Japanese are romantics, a bit of memory of the heart remains like in "The Girl Who Leapt Through Time" (2010).

[A-Yty]

SotN's ending may have been the end of the remnants of Mathias Cronqvist's personality. There was a big ball of light and beams that pointed upwards. I know they probably didn't mean anything particular with that, but I thought that was interesting. All the other times he explodes into a meaty mess or burts into flames after transforming into something hideous.  He hears Lisa's words - the ones that basically eat away his motivation (you know, Al could have told him about that sooner, don't you think? Could it be our stalwart dhampire do-gooder actually thought humans deserved to die?), says farewell to Al and makes a kind of peace between them. Then he disappears into the light. About the happiest ending he could hope for.

But he cursed himself willingly centuries ago and chaos or whatever doesn't just let him go.  There was a price to pay for all that power. So from that point, he's basically just a shell that remembers only hate. I mean, there are powers above him, obviously. The kind of powers Death is suggested of truly serving instead of him. Only Julius finally freed him from that.

[Shiroi Koumori]

(you know, Al could have told him about that sooner, don't you think? Could it be our stalwart dhampire do-gooder actually thought humans deserved to die?)

It's either that (in this case Magnus might have been saying the truth) or Allie just wanted to have a conversation with his dad without any outsider listening in.

[A-Yty]

What did Magnus say exactly? I've been meaning to listen to that radio drama, which, I assume, you're referring to.