Topic: The Dracolich is a lie!

[Dracula9]

Heh, it's a game.

Erm, yeah.

Look at what you've fucking started, D9.

[Intersection]

Agreed. I don't believe the developers game much thought to that question...

Whomever dictated this to others obviously failed his final Math exam. Human civilization has been around far, far longer then 5774 years. If you believe in the lost continents of Atlantis and Lemuria (I do and the evidence is growing) then you're looking at a time scale of humanity to be around 10 million years old. And the Earth itself even longer; 4.5 billion years. It may be their faith but it's very vague and nonsensical (no offense to any Jewish people who might be here and yes I also have Jewish blood in me too, but I choose to exorcise my god-given freedom of will rather then blindly following what others tell me). This is just one of the many reason why I don't do religion.

With all due respect, X, I think you should spare yourself the embarrassment of calling this religious belief "vague and nonsensical" if you're going to assert the existence of Atlantis of Lemuria...
And wouldn't you think that even those who "blindly follow what others tell them" might also be exercising their own god-given freedom of will? Food for thought.

[Ahasverus]

I've never ever encountered someone who thinks earth is 7000 years old or something, and if I did I'd laugh my ass off to them 

[Inccubus]

Given that we have monolithic constructions that predate the timelines of the judeo-christian religions and that those timelines are open to interpretation, I would take it all with a grain of salt. We shouldn't put so much stock in what we "know" anyway because that changes from day to day. From new archeological discoveries to the often hushed fact that solar flares affect the results of radio carbon dating techniques to the shear stubbornness of many "scientists" the things we "know" are ever changing.

[Intersection]

I don't believe anyone here is trying to share their firm religious convictions -- it just happens that Judeo-Christian timelines are relevant to this thread. Whether or not they are accurate isn't quite as important at the moment.
But I should certainly hope that you're taking them with a grain of salt.

[Inccubus]

Plus it is just a game after all.

[Ahasverus]

It was said that the mountain troll (the big green one) was born before the human race didn't it? That makes it pre bbile times.

[Dracula9]

I think it might be best that we all agree that it's just another aesthetic MS dropped the ball on a bit before this gets out of hand.

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With all due respect, X, I think you should spare yourself the embarrassment of calling this religious belief "vague and nonsensical" if you're going to assert the existence of Atlantis of Lemuria...

In fairness, there's a certain degree of realism to the belief in sunken continents. We find underwater ruins all the time, some of which are unknown in origin or make. Hell, the notion of the third big continent Mu sinking and its remnants forming Easter Island and Hawaii and the like isn't outrageously far-fetched when one considers the ever-increasing amount of eerie similarities between geographically close (and even some far-apart) cultures. Chalking those up to coincidence because there's not enough in-your-face evidence at the moment is just as silly as declaring anyone who believes in them a hypocrite. Pot, meet kettle. Just saying.

[darkwzrd4]

If I may offer my two cents, I think I can explain the swords and spears sticking out of the Dracolich's body. You all seem to assume that it is a dinosaur and I don't think that it is. Just because it is big and fossilized doesn't make it a dinosaur. I'm not saying it's not old. It certainly is. However, in most video games with Dracoliches, they are almost always undead dragons, never dinosaurs. So, being that all dinosaurs were extinct before humans came along and there are stories of humans fighting dragons, the dracolich is almost certainly a dead dragon, not a dead dinosaur. That should explain things.

[Dracula9]

No, I'm not saying it's a dinosaur. Its bestiary entry (which I really cannot fucking find, so I'll write it down later tonight and repost it or something) mentions that it was alive in prehistoric times. That very strongly suggests that it was AROUND during dinosaur times, at least. Since it doesn't mention the dragon's original lifespan, or whether it had been awakened as a Dracolich before Gabriel showed up or not, I simply found the various weapons in its body to be nonsensical due to their lack of origin.

[Lelygax]

Well, now it makes sense for real, they say that he lived at prehistoric times, but never said anything about he never being revived normally or as a zombie/skeleton. Since in Castlevania a lot of mythical creatures are brought back by magic it seems that it have been revived and killed again.

A Dracolich is like a Dragon Lich? Because if so it was really a undead skeleton.

[darkwzrd4]

Yeah, that prehistoric thing is the issue. Then again, prehistoric only means before recorded history and it is likely that weapons like swords and spears were invented before writing systems. And, without writing, you can't really record history. Think ancient barbarian tribes that had weapons but no writing system that predated Mesopotamia which is were the first writing system was supposed created. It was also the first known civilization I believe. So, the dracolich could have been a dragon that was killed before that civilization came along.

Not saying that this the case. These are just my thoughts.

[Lelygax]

I was saying that maybe he revived as a skeleton or zombie and then have been killed again when these weapons already existed.

[Dracula9]

Yeah, that prehistoric thing is the issue. Then again, prehistoric only means before recorded history and it is likely that weapons like swords and spears were invented before writing systems. And, without writing, you can't really record history. Think ancient barbarian tribes that had weapons but no writing system that predated Mesopotamia which is were the first writing system was supposed created. It was also the first known civilization I believe. So, the dracolich could have been a dragon that was killed before that civilization came along.

Not saying that this the case. These are just my thoughts.

No, I'd believe that. With prehistoric having become immediately attached to dinosaurs and volcanoes, the involvement of pre-literate societies had slipped my mind (thanks for jogging it, by the way). I mean, Lords has a TON of things that would have taken decades, if not centuries, to get done (like that fucking microcontinent of a castle, good grief), and terms get thrown around that I'm sure weren't used in such manners in the eleventh century (calling both Stone Idol Titan and Carmilla each a bitch, for one), so it's not like realistic timing was taken totally into account.

And yes, Babylonian cuneiform is the earliest known system of actual recorded writing. Gotta love those Mesopotamians, with their Gilgameshes, and their Lamashtus, and their Pazuzus.

[Ahasverus]

We don't know what prehistory encompasses in the LoS Universe, for all we know the Aghartian war could be prehistoric.