Topic: Nintendo - pros and cons, debate, etc.

[X]

That's Nintendo. If that's fine, don't change it.

Exactly. Let other companies make or break themselves with new and/or radical innovations. If and when it works for them, Nintendo will no-doubt find some form of application for it as well.

[Johnny]

Nintendo revived the video game console, and is now dancing on the edge of a knife with the second in a series of gimmick consoles.

Well if that's true so are the other consoles. Kinect and Move came along a couple of months right after Wii did. So to criticize Nintendo for this would mean to criticize all of the big 3. Not really fair to single only them out on gimmicks.

Also think of how in the past many of the big wigs at Xerox thought the PC Mouse was a silly gimmick when their Palo Alto Research Center first showcased it to them.

Steve Jobs visits Xerox Palo Alto Research Center in 1979 (dramatization)

Amazing now how one silly gimmick is now widely used. The same trend seems to be occurring with motion gaming. Even though many may see it as a silly gimmick, it is now a staple feature in not just Nintendo's consoles but Sony's and Microsoft's as well.

[Lelygax]

I remember how Bill Gates stolen Apple ideas and used it to make Windows, inside Apple HQ under Steve Jobs nose.

[Johnny]

I remember how Bill Gates stolen Apple ideas and used it to make Windows, inside Apple HQ under Steve Jobs nose.

Well its been said by tons of sources that Microsoft has no originality. Most of their ideas are second hand ideas. Check out this article about the Kinect from 2011:

http://hackaday.com/2011/07/14/did-microsoft-steal-the-kinect/

See now this is the thing with Nintendo is that even if say you don't like their direction or "gimmicks" its still their own ideas and their own risks they are taking. Virtual Boy for example was a huge risk that never paid off but it was still a creative risk Nintendo took and was the first handheld of its kind at the time. I have to give credit where credit is due and for anyone to say, Nintendo has gimmicks and crappy ideas is completely irrelevant IMO. All companies have gimmicks but it makes it 10 times worse when those gimmicks turn out to be second hand gimmicks rather than original concepts.

[Beaumont_Belmont]

One idea Bill Gates didn't steal from Apple: licensing software instead of requiring proprietary hardware. Hence why Apple was nearly dead in the mid 90's and Microsoft was on top of the world.

[Johnny]

One idea Bill Gates didn't steal from Apple: licensing software instead of requiring proprietary hardware. Hence why Apple was nearly dead in the mid 90's and Microsoft was on top of the world.

Actually you're forgetting about the Microsoft Surface RT which has a proprietary charger port. I think that counts as requiring proprietary hardware.

[Beaumont_Belmont]

Be that as it may, I was specifically referring to the 1980's and 90's, when Apple nearly went under.

[Lelygax]

More Nintendo cons:

http://kotaku.com/5982965/nintendo-fan-is-unhappy-with-nintendos-200-answer-to-his-400-wii-u-problem

http://boingboing.net/2013/05/18/nintendo-claims-ownership-over.html

Also I found these 2 while searching for this one, that I remembered more or less:
http://mynintendonews.com/2013/03/13/nintendo-to-pay-former-sony-employee-30-2-million-for-infringement-over-glasses-free-3ds-tech/

Yes, Nintendo stole this 3d screen idea, sadly.

[Johnny]

Nintendo resurrected console gaming. They did so by ruthless tactics which forced out competition. (Like the poor Master System.) But also by enforcing then much-needed quality control to avoid the deluge of substandard games that had choked off the Atari 2600 and indeed most of the American video game industry. I think their policy of focusing on the actual game experience rather than technology is the personification of what used to be the entire argument for and advantage of consoles before they just became overpriced proprietary PCs. As the end of the traditional console seems to loom larger and larger I think Nintendo is a company that has a good chance to exist on the strength of their IPs. Even when consoles are finally consumed by the all-encompassing central PC-media center that seems to be increasingly inevitable for the future.

Well that's it. I mean people probably recognize Mario these days as well as they could Big Bird or Ronald McDonald. I think if you took any old casual person off the street who doesn't play many video games they would sooner recognize Mario over Master Chief or Ratchet and Clank. So yes recognizable IPs is a huge advantage for Nintendo.

Be that as it may, I was specifically referring to the 1980's and 90's, when Apple nearly went under.

True I mean to this day I can't really stand Apple for overcharging for everything they make and having lots of limitations but I can't stand Microsoft either. Still to this day its far far less expensive to build your own PC and throw a retail copy of Windows on it than it is to buy a Mac Pro Desktop.

[KaZudra]

Not to mention Mac specs are more outrageous to the price than even Alienware at times...

[Lelygax]

Pros: Nintendo makes us laugh at some E3 events.

[Inccubus]

I think this pic speaks volumes about Nintendo. These are the guys in charge of a gaming company. Sony and Microsoft have a bunch of suits.

From left to right: President of Nintendo Inc. Satoru Iwata. President of Nintendo of America, Reggie Fils-Aime. Nintendo Producer and legendary creator of Mario, Donkey Kong, and Zelda, Shigeru Miyamoto. Yeap. Miyamoto-san in a life sized DKC barrel cannon. These are dudes I could feel confident working for in a game company.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Ha!  That pic is awesome!

[Lelygax]

You did it! You found a photo with Reggie and DK in the same image, I ever thought that they were almost identic and now I can see that I was right. Maybe Reggie is DK Jr. grown up

[Pfil]

Pros: Nintendo makes us laugh at some E3 events.

Haha! Who is this guy?

I always get angry at Reggie when he speaks about subjects I don't care and don't mention the games