Topic: Richter Belmont vs. Gabriel (Dracula)

[jestercolony]

Seriously, this actually makes me curious. Imagine if Richter, the most powerful of the Belmonts goes up against Gabriel/Dracula, he who wields the powers of the Lords of Shadow and the Forgotten One. Would Richter stand any chance against him? I honestly think the two would come at a stalemate.

What do my fellow dungeoneers think? ^_^

[darkwzrd4]

1) There is no Richter Belmont in the LoS universe.

2) If you are talking about Richter pre-LoS, there is no point because you are comparing two characters from different universes/continualities.

3) If you are talking about the announced Belmont for LoS2, his name is Victor and I doubt that he could win in a one-on-one battle against Gabula. After all, it took both Simon and Trevorcard to defeat Gabula in MoF and despite the victory, they unable to kill him.

[Intersection]

Darkwizard's right. Richter's and Gabriel's timelines are incompatible.

Yet, if they weren't, the answer would be simple. Richter defeated Dracula -- and Gabriel is Dracula. So, obviously, Richter defeats Gabriel.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Plus it's all about Julius, not Richter.

This almost sounds like it should go on "Classic Castlevania Threads" as it reminds me of my hypothetical scenarios with my friends when I was a kid.
You know the type 'who would win in a fight? X vs. Y?"

[Intersection]

Plus it's all about Julius, not Richter.

The most powerful of the Belmonts? Of course it was Julius. Of course.

This almost sounds like it should go on "Classic Castlevania Threads" as it reminds me of my hypothetical scenarios with my friends when I was a kid.
You know the type 'who would win in a fight? X vs. Y?"

Ah, those. Of course, you'd pick the opposite just for the sake of annoying your partner -- so that it'd always became something of a "me" vs "you" fight. Good times, good times...

[uzo]

It is most definitely possible to compare characters from two different stories. It is what we call a crossover. I'm sure you've heard of it.


Looking at game abilities, comparing SotN Richter and LoS1 Gabriel (since LoS2 isn't out and I didn't play Framerate of Fate for obvious reasons) it seems at face value Richter does hold an advantage.

Richter's moves are speedier and more invulnerable. Higher damage too. However this could be argued due to his gameplay mode. Though as a boss in PoR it was kind of similar. He was even more agile though.

Gabriel shows more defense, and is more 'heavy weight'. Not pushed around as easily. Though Richter has 'bigger' 'super moves'. Gabriel is a tank, with much higher defense and seemingly higher raw power.

Further on Gabriel's side, if we want to get into The Forgotten One's (TFO) abilities, TFO seemed to have released the majority of his power to open the portal. He called it back when Gabriel was winning. Gabriel happened to get it instead somehow and then one shot TFO in half like a loaf of bread.

Where as Richter and Gabriel may have had similar 'power levels', once you factor in the power gained by TFO's battle, it mathematically doesn't seem as though Richter could stand a chance.

From what I know of Mirror of Fate

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Simon was unable to defeat Dracula on his own, and Alucard had to help with all his vampire powers to stand a chance.

So this seems as though it adds up.

My verdict:

Pre TFO fight? They're pretty even, just with strengths in different areas.

Post TFO fight? No chance for Richter.

[Intersection]

It is most definitely possible to compare characters from two different stories. It is what we call a crossover. I'm sure you've heard of it.

A Castlevania-Castlevania crossover? Ah yes, sounds good to me! 

[uzo]

What? Have you not ever heard of Castlevania Judgement?

[darkwzrd4]

Alright, point taken. If such a crossover was to take place, Gabula would slaughter Richter thanks to a little thing called the void sword. Plus, the power of TFO doesn't hurt either. As we saw in MoF, no human can fight Gabula 1 on 1 an win. (crush attacks no withstanding)

[Maedhros]

Crossovers usually make one or other universe stronger/weaker, to balance them.

[Flame]

Richter.

No matter the odds, the Belmont always wins against the Dracula, even if that Dracula is a Belmont.

Richter also has Vampire killer, which, just like the LoS one, is VERY effective against Dracula.

[darkwzrd4]

Richter.

No matter the odds, the Belmont always wins against the Dracula, even if that Dracula is a Belmont.

Richter also has Vampire killer, which, just like the LoS one, is VERY effective against Dracula.

Oh.....did you forget that in MoF, Trevor lost to Gabula and ended up get mortally wounded when his was stabbed with his own combat cross at the end of the fight? When Gabula saw that Trevor was his son by looking at the mirror, he gave the dying Trevor some of his blood which eventually turned him in to the LoS universes Alucard (who we here on the forums call Trevorcard). Gabula is just too powerful.

[Inccubus]

It all depends on context. If this Victor or any other Belmont from anywhere fights Gabula before he fights Satan, then they will lose. If after, then they will win and Gabriel will be redeemed. 

[GuyStarwind]

As others have said the two are in different series. Each CV series portrays Belmont and Dracula differently. If this was the LoS universe then I'm thinking Gabe due to the info I've read. However, if this is the old canon I'm going with Richter. Have you seen the stuff he does in SotN? Anywho Richter uses holy power so I'm going to give this one to him.

[Lelygax]

How to make Richter win in 3 (top-secret) steps:

1-

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Hydro Storm!

Richter won?
-Yes (go to 3) 
-No (go to 2)

2-

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Repeat step 1.

3-

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Stage Clear.