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Re: reboot, but still "canon"
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2014, 12:02:18 AM »
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But isn't that just in the Asian sense? In medieval europe they usually symbolized greed and evil, a la Fafnir.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fafnir

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Re: reboot, but still "canon"
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2014, 12:08:15 AM »
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I think the European dragon was a direct/indirect result of Biblical intervention seeping in oral tradition. In my opinion, just look at the ending of the Ragnarok saga for Norse mythology. They tried to tie it up with the story of Adam and Eve.

And yes, X was right on the representation of the Asian dragon. The serpent's description of rebirth/reincarnation was already mentioned in the epic of Gilgamesh.

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Re: reboot, but still "canon"
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2014, 03:29:15 AM »
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The real Life Dracula wasnt called Dracula because he was evil, it was a legit order he was in.

Only in some pop culture has it come to basically mean son of the devil, associating the Devil with Dragon
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Re: reboot, but still "canon"
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2014, 05:30:29 PM »
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stated that Iga is leaving  i don't really think the whole "canon" thing is going anywhere, i kinda like your idea but i don't really feel it would be necessary. I mean if someone was to follow the timeline there is plenty to fill. Just think the whole time span between Loi and Dracula's curse for example (roughly 300+ years), CVIIIs intro says the belmont were banned due to their powers, so it would be interesting to see where they lived, how did they track down dracula\mathias the whole time and what kind of monsters they've been fighting over the centuries, that could open ways to an alternate series of games with no need to go in the far future. Then there's of course the 99 battle, the Bloodlines prequel (bram stoker's dracula) and a Sotn sequel explaining exactly how the whip gets passed onto the morris family. So, don't really think there's need for such an excuse for more canon titles (even tho as i already said i like op's idea, maybe setting the series in a dystopic future a là vampire hunter d), i just fear with iga being gone there's no way we're ever gonna get any.

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Re: reboot, but still "canon"
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2014, 10:13:37 PM »
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The real Life Dracula wasnt called Dracula because he was evil, it was a legit order he was in.

Only in some pop culture has it come to basically mean son of the devil, associating the Devil with Dragon
It was a dual meaning. Son of the Dragon(literally, Vlad III was the son of Dracul), though in Christianity, the "Dragon" is the "Devil", so it's also "Son of the Devil". I noted in the other thread, both the original canon and LoS kinda play into both sides of the same coin. Original CV, Dracula was more demonic, more a ruler of all evil things(even employing demons in his army) and majority of his second forms were that of giant demons. LoS, it seemed like they were aiming more for the iconic "dragon" side.

Though, give the REAL Vlad's ruthless nature(he was a tyrannical ruler), I'm sure those who were on his bad side DID consider him evil and devilish. And while he was already named "Dracula", perhaps they just saw that the name fit him perfectly.
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Re: reboot, but still "canon"
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2014, 10:52:03 PM »
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In my opinion, the idea of a cv taking place in the future a century or so after Soma is nice. Here are my thoughts:

through the years following DoS, Julius continues to fight evil but eventually dies of old age (he has no heirs). Yoko settles down and has a family and Alucard is just the same keeping a watch protecting humanity. Soma and Mina do get married, grow old, and eventually die of old age. In the year 23XX, a man/woman loses everything due to no fault of their own. Despite being devoutly religious, this individual suffers tremendous misfortune to the point in which he/she is dying from a curable disease because he/she has no insurance and thus can't afford the treatment. At the time of his/her death, they curse God and all other things and in that moment of immeasurable rage, swears that he/she won't except dying and vows to spend eternity spreading pain, misfortune and suffers among humanity. If he/she had to suffer through life, so should all humanity. This rage, hatred and thirst for revenge turns this individual into a vampire and summons the castle which seems to call to this person who follow the call end becomes the castle's new master.

Thus, a new dark lord ascends to the throne. As for the heroes, the would consist primerily of Alucard and Yoko's descendants. There could be other heroes too. As for the castle, it would retain its medieval appearance we're all accustom to. There would be some modern weapons, but wouldn't be as useful as classic magical ones.
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Re: reboot, but still "canon"
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2014, 03:11:38 PM »
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Thus, a new dark lord ascends to the throne. As for the heroes, the would consist primerily of Alucard and Yoko's descendants. There could be other heroes too. As for the castle, it would retain its medieval appearance we're all accustom to. There would be some modern weapons, but wouldn't be as useful as classic magical ones.

Don't forget that the Morris family would still be around as well as other Belmont off-shoot descendants. Just because Julius is gone and having left no heirs doesn't mean there won't be ant more Belmont-esque whip-wielding vampirehunters anymore.

I kinda did something similar with my CV game story. Except that the plot wasn't just about Dracula's revival but also the deliberate extermination of the entire Belmont family tree, so that nothing could stand in the way of Dracula's resurrection. There was only one survivor out of the whole family (Christy Morris) and she was raised by a descendant of Aberham Van Helsing in secret. This idea came about long before IGA made PoR or AoS for that matter, so this was my version of a CV Bloodlines sequel. It happens in 2017, exactly a hundred years after Bloodlines (1917).
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Re: reboot, but still "canon"
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2014, 04:08:27 AM »
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Well, aside from the Belmont offshoots, there's Curtis Lang and Michelle Dynasty, if you consider the novel sequel to DoS. And whatever the ending of that novel brings. hehehe.

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Re: reboot, but still "canon"
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2014, 04:57:38 PM »
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The real Life Dracula wasnt called Dracula because he was evil, it was a legit order he was in.

Only in some pop culture has it come to basically mean son of the devil, associating the Devil with Dragon

His name may have come from his father, Vlad Dracul, and by extension, the Order of the Dragon of which his father was a member, but many at the time did consider him pretty evil. Here's some neat paintings done during his lifetime by Germany, that show he was regarded as a dark figure by some:

The Judgement of Jesus, with Dracula used in place of Pilate, 1463:


Dracula as Aegeas, the Roman proconsul in Patras, crucifying Saint Andrew, between circa 1470 and circa 1480:

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Re: reboot, but still "canon"
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2014, 05:16:57 PM »
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check out this painting from same time period that depicts Vlad Tepes in league with the devil


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Re: reboot, but still "canon"
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2014, 05:18:41 PM »
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The Castlevania reboot game that Mig and I are creating is what I wish Konami would do.

I like all of this Vlad the Impaler talk. I feel the same way. That's why our game reboots the series to give Dracula his true identity once again. The origin of the Belmont clan is also re-imagined to fit in with the history of Dracula.

You will face Dracula the man alone and gain allies like Dracula's brother Radu along the way before you face Dracula the vampire.

The Rise of Castlevania will show how pieces of the real history can blend very well with the myth.




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