Topic: Castlevania(old canon), a work of historical fiction?

[Shiroi Koumori]

It could be considered as historical fiction but not an accurate one.

[X]

It could be considered as historical fiction but not an accurate one.

Historical fiction or fiction in general is never accurate because it's...well, fiction. In fiction there will always be an element or elements that differ minutely or greatly from actual events of history, hence the word 'fiction'. If it were accurate to history then it wouldn't be fiction at all. Sorry about the rant Shiroi. I work in a bookstore, and as you can see I just brought my work home with me, lol    But it's also true that even history itself is not be entirely accurate as those in power or who have great influence are the ones who write the history books. So who knows? Maybe bits of our very history itself is fictional in the regard.

[Nagumo]

My guess is that IGA made a mistake about Dracula's age in SOTN, he doesn't pay attention when he comes up that age or he's bad at math on that time LOL, I read somewhere that IGA admits that mistake(If my memory is right) and Lament of Innocence was made as an explanation or a cover up to Dracula's age in SOTN.

It's not a mistake because Rondo established it before SotN did. Most likely that was a result of there being no continuity at all between games outside the NES trilogy. For and intents and purposes, CV3 Dracula and Rondo Dracula where two different people. This changed when IGA to tie everything together in one timeline with SotN. His policy was to include everything but ignore contradictions where they may arose. That's why he felt he had the liberty to establish a new identify for Dracula. And fans have tried to nonsensically fit the two backstories with each other ever since.

[K.K. Drunkinski]

His policy was to include everything but ignore contradictions where they may arose. That's why he felt he had the liberty to establish a new identify for Dracula.

The problem with that though, is if his entire motivation was to make the series more cohesive and get rid of the contradictions, then that still in no way created a need for him to create a new identity for Dracula. IGA decided to start making CV games that took place before 1431 of his own volition, without any preexisting reason other than his own imagination. Keeping the CV Drac as "Dracula" was not a hindrance to the storyline. UNLESS one counts "Castlevania Legends," because if it took place when it did, then it would be mighty hard for Alucard to be an adult in the 1450s. But, IGA retconned it anyhow. Basically, what I'm saying is, the decision to make "Dracula" turn out to be someone else had no basis in necessity. It was merely a whim.

[Nagumo]

I think he wanted to justify the bit about Dracula being 800 years old, which was irreconcilable with the Vlad Tepes backstory. Since he had a mindset of including everything but ignoring certain details if they were contradictory, he probably figured he could ignore it.

[e105beta]

I've always liked how Castlevania games felt anchored, one way or another, in the real world.

Looking back on it, the thing that felt the least "Castlevania" about LoS was its lack of relation to a real world timeline. It felt like it took place in a fictional world, rather than Europe.

[X]

I think he wanted to justify the bit about Dracula being 800 years old, which was irreconcilable with the Vlad Tepes backstory. Since he had a mindset of including everything but ignoring certain details if they were contradictory, he probably figured he could ignore it.

It would have been better for him to ignore Dracula's supposed 800 year age rather then create a whole new identity for him. It would have saved him a lot of flack in the end.

Looking back on it, the thing that felt the least "Castlevania" about LoS was its lack of relation to a real world timeline. It felt like it took place in a fictional world, rather than Europe.

This is especially true in the later chapters after Carmilla's castle. And the chapters before the castle (excluding the village area) felt like they did indeed belong in a fantasy game.

[crisis]

teh main thing that indicates LoS saga takes place in "our world" is the crucifix & Jesus in the chapel

[Shiroi Koumori]

Historical fiction or fiction in general is never accurate because it's...well, fiction. In fiction there will always be an element or elements that differ minutely or greatly from actual events of history, hence the word 'fiction'. If it were accurate to history then it wouldn't be fiction at all. Sorry about the rant Shiroi. I work in a bookstore, and as you can see I just brought my work home with me, lol    But it's also true that even history itself is not be entirely accurate as those in power or who have great influence are the ones who write the history books. So who knows? Maybe bits of our very history itself is fictional in the regard.

No prob. Thanks for clarifying it.

teh main thing that indicates LoS saga takes place in "our world" is the crucifix & Jesus in the chapel

Who can say that a parallel world doesn't have Jesus?

[DragonSlayr81]

No prob. Thanks for clarifying it.

Who can say that a parallel world doesn't have Jesus?

Or at least the concept of him. It's not an alien planet, it's still Earth(but perhaps an Earth that, historically evolved differently, of course, we wouldn't know because how vague it was). You can also say the same regarding the classic canon compared to our reality. Classic canon's Earth shares a similar geographical landscape and history, but obviously due to the fictional "secret history" aspects, is also different. You can say most works of fiction that take place in our world are similar. Sometimes the change is drastic(like history is altered to the point that while geographically the world is the same, different countries exist where others do not).

[Kresnik]

well dracula´s curse could be pestilence?

[X]

Or at least the concept of him. It's not an alien planet, it's still Earth(but perhaps an Earth that, historically evolved differently, of course, we wouldn't know because how vague it was). You can also say the same regarding the classic canon compared to our reality. Classic canon's Earth shares a similar geographical landscape and history, but obviously due to the fictional "secret history" aspects, is also different. You can say most works of fiction that take place in our world are similar. Sometimes the change is drastic(like history is altered to the point that while geographically the world is the same, different countries exist where others do not).

This is essentually how it is in the Ys series. It's still Earth but in another reality very similar to our own.

[whipsmemory]

well dracula´s curse could be pestilence?

I thought about that as weel, after a small research i found this

http://books.google.it/books?id=qmrynckrEKYC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=europe+1476+pestilence&source=bl&ots=yuoZMcuncr&sig=8ttH5xvToNZkMZKIx9VLlX-ATFo&hl=it&sa=X&ei=LNhjU8L9OerhsASWyICICQ&ved=0CEsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=europe%201476%20pestilence&f=false

page 14 states there has been a pestilence in europe in 1477 in fact.

Don't really think this was intentional to Iga or anyone else involved in picking the dates for the storyline tho ahah