Topic: The Lisa-Dracula romance

[Super Waffle]

What was with that, anyway?  Did Lisa actually see something in Drac beyond his hellbent obsession with enslaving humanity and being the personification of all evil, or was it just a simple case of Nice Girls Like Bad Boys?

[crisis]

Dracula & Mina


pretty much this, in Castlevania form

[Ratty]

Well it's kind of implied that she's a reincarnation of Elizabetha. That being the case, it's not a huge leap to think that they're literally "soulmates".

[Intersection]

Well it's kind of implied that she's a reincarnation of Elizabetha.

I wasn't aware of this...

[K.K. Drunkinski]

I've thought about this alot, and really, it just is a major plot hole. Now keep in mind, I'm coming at this from the OLD canon (pre- LoI, so no Mathias.) The thing is, that Lisa thing that was added in SotN was obviously influenced by the 1992 Dracula film, as in, the idea that Drac losing his woman is what made him hate mankind. Fair enough. But if that were the case, shouldn't that have been the event that made him seek out dark powers and become a vampire to begin with? Or was Drac a human loving, family man vampire somehow before her death? And if he was NOT a vampire before her death, then how is Alucard half vampire?

[theplottwist]

I've thought about this alot, and really, it just is a major plot hole. Now keep in mind, I'm coming at this from the OLD canon (pre- LoI, so no Mathias.) The thing is, that Lisa thing that was added in SotN was obviously influenced by the 1992 Dracula film, as in, the idea that Drac losing his woman is what made him hate mankind. Fair enough. But if that were the case, shouldn't that have been the event that made him seek out dark powers and become a vampire to begin with? Or was Drac a human loving, family man vampire somehow before her death? And if he was NOT a vampire before her death, then how is Alucard half vampire?

Well, if you look at the story, Elisabetha died from an illness (not human-caused reason), thus Mathias had no reason to hate mankind, only God. And since "dying", like his wife did, is a rule imposed by God, Mathias choose to defy it by becoming a vampire.

His hatred towards mankind begins thanks to Lisa's death at human hands. She's probably his second wife, and as we all know, mother to Alucard. That's when Dracula loses it and decides to attack humans. He had no reason to do it (besides drinking blood, probably) before. All he wanted was to live forever, but Lisa's death kickstarted his vendetta against humans.

[darkwzrd4]

Well, if you look at the story, Elisabetha died from an illness (not human-caused reason), thus Mathias had no reason to hate mankind, only God. And since "dying", like his wife did, is a rule imposed by God, Mathias choose to defy it by becoming a vampire.

His hatred towards mankind begins thanks to Lisa's death at human hands. That's when Dracula decides to attack humans. He had no reason to do it (besides drinking blood, probably) until now.

That's how I always understood it. As for how he met Lisa, he was out looking for someone to drink from, saw her and instantly fell for her.

[crisis]

dracula had some human allies too, recall the devil forgemasters Isaac y Hector. to our knowledge he never vampirized them.. its possible he also employed other devil forgemasters over the centuries prior to CVIII as well

then theres the master librarian, who by all accounts seems very human (albeit trapped in the castle, or another dimension, since he knew alucard well before the events of symphony)

[TatteredSeraph]

I've always read it the same was as theplottwist's said, Lisa is wife number two, but the reincarnation of Elisabeta.  Seeing as Stoker's Dracula is considered 'canon', and in the Sorrow game, Mina Hakuba sounds similar to Mina Harker, I read it that Mina Hakuba is the reincarnation of Mina Harker, who was in turn Lisa's reincarnation - they're the same soul, Drac's soulmate.

The two wives thing also fits in well with the history of the real Vlad Tepes, who reputedly had two wives, the first of whom, according to legend, flung herself from the 'castle' - the fortress Poenari - into the Arges river, which is where that bit in Coppola's Dracula comes from.  His second wife was Ilona Szilagyi, cousin of Matthias Corvinus, king of Hungary.

[Melanicus]

That's how I always understood it. As for how he met Lisa, he was out looking for someone to drink from, saw her and instantly fell for her.

I always imagined them meeting at some kind of a ball, or maybe Dracula falling for her during his nightly rounds and whisking her away to his castle for a dance (the music being Wood Carving Partita, of course!). 

 

[Mike Belmont]

pretty much this, in Castlevania form

To me, THIS ^^ is the reason, of course, taking the part of Elisabetha being the first love, and Lisa his "second" one. Maybe a reincarnation, but in a manner that is implied in the movie.

Now, why did Lisa loves a being like Dracula (a vampire)? Maybe only she can see a good side in him. Which side? Who knows...

[Intersection]

Lament introduced Elizabetha as Dracula's raison d'être, of sorts: her death is what drove Mathias' search for immortality and fueled his hatred for the divine. In other words, Elizabetha is at the heart of what makes Dracula who he is: strip away that original tragedy and you'll strip away most of the character's depth.

That's why it seems hard to imagine Dracula "falling" for another woman; any further romantic involvement would overlap with his love for Elizabetha and essentially destroy his character.

[GuyStarwind]

Allow me to repost something I heard back in the DXC days... Just because Dracula's a vampire doesn't mean he doesn't have an angle in his dangle

[theplottwist]

Lament introduced Elizabetha as Dracula's raison d'être, of sorts: her death is what drove Mathias' search for immortality and fueled his hatred for the divine. In other words, Elizabetha is at the heart of what makes Dracula who he is: strip away that original tragedy and you'll strip away most of the character's depth.

That's why it seems hard to imagine Dracula "falling" for another woman; any further romantic involvement would overlap with his love for Elizabetha and essentially destroy his character.

Unless, of course, Lisa is Elizabetha reincarnated, like Mina was to original Dracula's Elisabeta, who ALSO had a raison d'être, and few for Mina.

I don't see any problem with this, really. I can see a dark lord who is hated by the populace falling for a woman who has no fear of him, looks very much like his past wife, and is also kind like she was. She doesn't even need to be Elizabetha reincarnated. All it needs is for her to act and remind Dracula of his past wife. Of course, I'm aware that official material suggests that Lisa is Elizabetha reincarnated.

That's how I always understood it. As for how he met Lisa, he was out looking for someone to drink from, saw her and instantly fell for her.

Well, she was burned for accusations of being a witch. Knowing what kind of 'people' Dracula employs, it's not a stretch to think he had her employed too. Or that he provided her with special ingredients for her medicines.

[Mike Belmont]

Unless, of course, Lisa is Elizabetha reincarnated, like Mina was to original Dracula's Elisabeta, who ALSO had a raison d'être, and few for Mina.

I don't see any problem with this, really. I can see a dark lord who is hated by the populace falling for a woman who has no fear of him, looks very much like his past wife, and is also kind like she was. She doesn't even need to be Elizabetha reincarnated. All it needs is for her to act and remind Dracula of his past wife.

This ^^. The first time that I see Lisa`s story in SoTN, I see her as a devoted wife to Dracula, being a vampire. Yes, is a little crazy that a very good woman to do this, but after all is the love that Lisa have to him, and viceversa. Then, with the Mathias-Elisabetha we have a Brahm Stoker`s Dracula`s movie relationship with LoI, but before Dracula becomes a vampire (in the movie, of course). And then, we have the Dracula-Lisa conection, like the Dracula-Mina Harker from the movie.

Now with this thread I am thinking, is there any part in the CVs game, in which Dracula says his name, or anyone says it? I remember only Alucard`s name in the Dracula`s Curse credits (Adrian F. Tepes)...