Topic: FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE ANNOUNCED BY SONY AT EƎ

[X]

I've never ever finished FFVII. The backgrounds were nice as well as the music and such, but the characters were horrible to look at. Very blocky and awkward. At least maybe now, when this remake is released I can give it another chance to see if it's in my personal tastes. But personally squarenix should hold off on remaking their later games and concentrate on giving FF's III, V and VI The PSP FF I&II Dawn of souls treatment. Then they can worry about there later games in the series.

[Laina]

No gameplay?

No gameplay.

I don't trust SE to do this right.  Refuse to buy into hype until bull DLC/DRM is confirmed to NOT be connected to this and we see gameplay footage.


Pretty much how I feel about FFVIII, so *shrugs*

I actually had the opposite experience with FF8. I seemed to be the only person I knew of at the time that genuinely enjoyed it as opposed to feeling outright betrayed by Square (that would start to come with FF9 & go full circle with FF13 for me) or just "meh" about it. And this is including folk I ran into on the interwebs. But yes, as far as not buying into the hype at this point, I agree. I'm taking this whole thing with a grain of salt & keeping my optimism quite cautious. Fool me once/the last 5 times, Square......

There's nothing overrated about FFVII. It was the first 3D game and the game that popularized RPGs in the west. If it wasn't for it, I doubt PS1 would have received as many rpgs it had.

It's the real deal. Now, if people don't like the characters/story/systems from the game, then it doesn't matter, since it's just an opinion. I'm just talking about things that I can measure, like sales/popularity.

I can mostly agree with that, at least with it being a catalyst for the US getting the amount of RPG's it did at the time. I haven't done any research to back this theory up, but I always assumed FF7's popularity was responsible in a big part for the release of Xenogears, the godparent to my non-existent children, over here. I remember reading there was a lot of controversy surrounding Xenogears' existential/religious themes because America was probably still too poo-babby to handle it (God, I love TBFP). I think FF7's more mature content helped with proving that "hey, maybe the U.S. IS old enough to stay home alone for the weekend & handle this thinky type stuff". Again, I have no way of proving that (or have at least been too lazy to unearth proof), just something I always liked to consider.

I never play this game and i dont want to play, i dont think its bad but ne.
 2 friends like this game and when they talk about this game i say thats why its the best game because they watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_yFZZdYrVw

In light of Jorge's recent statements, is it cool/hip/some banal horseshit for Egoraptor to be grating against one's nerves? If so, I've wanted to punch him in mouth on several occasions for quite a while now. I don't hate him or anything & I watch Game Grumps from time to time, he just rubs me wrong more often than not.*shrugs* I'm cool with Danny though, for the most part.

I think that stream of bad games they put out was to test what to/what not to do for this remake here.

I dunno...I feel like that may be giving Square too much credit. Then again, I am a bitter husk of a human being who's had her faith shattered numerous times over the years by Square (I equated this to being in a bad relationship with Square that I didn't know how to break out of on a thread here looooooong ago), so it's probably for the best if my words are regarded with the same level of care one would reserve for a severe schizophrenic covered in dead leaves and their own sick. The flying banans have taken residence in my shoes. Be kind, rewind Captain Dershowitz. FWAGAGABAH!

I've never ever finished FFVII. The backgrounds were nice as well as the music and such, but the characters were horrible to look at. Very blocky and awkward. At least maybe now, when this remake is released I can give it another chance to see if it's in my personal tastes. But personally squarenix should hold off on remaking their later games and concentrate on giving FF's III, V and VI The PSP FF I&II Dawn of souls treatment. Then they can worry about there later games in the series.

It was actually the very first RPG I ever sat down & beat. lol RPG's & fighters have been the cat's pajamas for me from day one, so I'd always binge-play until the final dunegon in every RPG I got my hands on. I'd then grow genuinely depressed that my adventures were soon to end, withdraw & just let it collect dust on my shelf. I resolved to not do that to FF7 though because it had been so engrossing for me, even more so than usual. I think it had to do with the age I was when I picked it up - 12, 3 months away from being 13, so I was just at that age where I was eating up anything that came across as "adult" & sophisticated to me. I was also a budding anarchist/eco warrior as a tween & loved the thought of starting out as a little guy sticking it to the man, then a little group still sticking it to the man while saving not just a large city, but the entire planet that had been crying out in pain due to man's mishandling. Anyway, going back a bit, I think the chibi-blockyness of the characters, while a little odd to me at first, grew on me becuase...shit, I was a 12 year old girl. Sure, I wanted to be more mature & sophisticated & was genuinely moving towards an appreciation for those things on my own independent of what I thought was appropriate of a growing girl in society (the "I'm not a baby anymore, JEESH!" mentality that we all probably felt pressured to put forward to prove ourselves and please those around us), but I STILL liked cute, silly things. Despite the more mature themes, this "so deformed, it's actually sorta cute" blockyness resonated with me & actually helped me accept the deeper, depressing stuff without getting too bogged down by it when it came up. I feel this left me able to keep my wits, allowing me to properly explore it & think it through, but still feel enough of it so as to not lose the impact they had intended. The cuteness of the sprites in FF6 helped with this stuff too, as I LOVED that game (though only gave it a shot after playing FF7) & so would love to see it get the proper remake treatment as well.

Anyway, I'm glad you're going to give it another shot, X. But I wonder how this experience will differ from the one you may have gotten if you had been able to get into the original FF7 at the time it debuted. That's not a chiding in the least for your distaste for the original graphics, I can get how that made it hard for you to concentrate on the story. It's just a genuine curiosity as to how your experience may differe from mine since I enjoyed the original & you didn't - I wonder how our feelings for the new one will compare & possibly contrast. I can't wait to discuss this with everyone when it manages to debut, though I must admit, I can't help but be on guard with Square & their promises as of late...I keep thinking this is all going to fall through somehow & all we'll ever have is the trailer video, which will effectively become a giant middle finger to us from Square...

I dunno, I'm rambling at this point. Everyone, enjoy the hell outta this when it debuts, whether that means shitting all over it for the most minute of infractions in your eyes to blindly worshipping every frame of it. Just have fun kids!

[Inccubus]

I reserve judgement for when we see gameplay. I hope they do truly remake it, but I am afraid they may alter the gameplay heavily.

This is exactly how I feel about it. I'm afraid what we're going to actually get is Crisis Core / Type-0 with a new skin. And besides that, they should have done this ages ago. All in all I found all of this years E3 to be underwhelming even without the massive leaks.

No gameplay?

No gameplay.

I don't trust SE to do this right.  Refuse to buy into hype until bull DLC/DRM is confirmed to NOT be connected to this and we see gameplay footage.

This! Soooo this. I have no hype for this remake at all because they might as well have just had some random dude come up on stage and said, "Oh, BTW, we're finally remaking FF7." Then he just leaves.
Would have had the same impact.


I don't hate FF7, I mostly just dislike Cloud and his stupid emo attitude. I would have liked him better if he was silent. On the other hand everything after X-2 is just not even the same genre with wildly different game play and storytelling styles to the point of them not really even resembling Final Fantasy at all. So for me the series died long ago when they started pretending that spin-off titles were the main series and relegated proper sequels to mobile consoles with tiny budgets.

[VladCT]

I don't hate FF7, I mostly just dislike Cloud and his stupid emo attitude.

Actually in the original FF7 he didn't display that much of a stupid emo attitude. It was his other appearances (KH, AC, Dissidia, etc.) that ended up flanderizing his personality into the one more widely known (and hated).

[Shiroi Koumori]

Actually in the original FF7 he didn't display that much of a stupid emo attitude. It was his other appearances (KH, AC, Dissidia, etc.) that ended up flanderizing his personality into the one more widely known (and hated).

For all Cloud's emo problems, there's only one person to blame: Nomura.
And you'll see more emo-ness in the remake! 
I still won't jump on the hype train, never was a fan of RPGs.

[VladCT]

http://www.siliconera.com/2015/06/17/final-fantasy-vii-remake-will-have-more-work-done-to-its-story/
Ergh, this bodes ill...

[Dracula9]

There's nothing overrated about FFVII. It was the first 3D game and the game that popularized RPGs in the west. If it wasn't for it, I doubt PS1 would have received as many rpgs it had.

It's the real deal. Now, if people don't like the characters/story/systems from the game, then it doesn't matter, since it's just an opinion. I'm just talking about things that I can measure, like sales/popularity.

FFVII was the game that got me into gaming, and even I must admit its fanbase has made it way more overrated and overhyped than is necessary.

Is it a great game? I think so. Does it have a good plot? I think so also. Is it full of characters with unique and assorted arcs and backstories? Most definitely.

Does that make it the quote-unquote "best game ever made" a large deal of its fanbase generally paints it as? Definitely not. For starters, its extremely basic models have aged horribly, despite having a certain nostalgia attached to them for the fans, and while it can somewhat be chalked up to being an earlier game, the amount of quality with which PSX games' graphics increased was very shortly after. Just look at FFVIII and Soul Reaver, both of which were but a couple of years after. I can't speak for everyone, but Minecraft-level blockiness and overabundant gradient shading isn't my cup of tea. In fact, I dare say that Legend of Dragoon did the gradient-and-texture formula a thousand times better (though the cleanness of the models is somewhat of another matter, since LoD did suffer from jittering during idle stances and some chain-moving sections didn't lock together as well as they could have, but I digress).

Then there's the whole matter of Aerith's almost entirely shallow character, which is regarded as a super-tragedy with her death when there's really hardly anything known about her to make it as tragic as it's treated. Sure, the bits of backstory you find out about later in the game in Icicle Inn (what a shitty name for a town, by the way) add a little bit more tragedy, but heaven forbid you tell a diehard FFVII fan you don't see why Aerith buying the farm is that big a deal.

Then there's the lovely Japanese trope of the completely overpowered omniscient MUAHAHA I PLANNED THIS ALL ALONG villain. I could bash Sephiroth all day for being as massive a Gary Stu as he is. Legendary assimilating alien life-form that has been recorded as the ultimate calamity? His bitch. Being completely and utterly destroyed in body in the very heart of the world? Fuck that shit, he's got a last-ditch in the form of mind powers over the protag! The fundamental life essence of the entire Planet and all the combined souls and wills of the dead from which no creature can escape or combat once dead? Not even a problem to him, the fucker comes back from it how many times?

Yeah, fuck Sephiroth. I give the bastard points for being so strong in will that his spirit literally just chills in the Lifestream until he's up to wreck some more shit, but that doesn't mean it's not completely ridiculous and OP beyond what is remotely acceptable.

These things, of course, are all things that would send any diehard fan of VII into a frenzy, because how dare you question the thing they see as perfect.

It's not perfect, and how well something sells is not probable cause to mislabel it as such. Popularity does not automatically determine absolute quality. This has all been a matter of opinion, but then again, you saying it's not overrated is also as such. Sales figures don't make you more right unless you're purely arguing that it sold well. Whether or not it's become overrated within its own community and beyond has nothing at all to do with sales figures.

FFVII is to Final Fantasy what SotN is to Castlevania...

...Except that SotN has aged much better in comparison. But still.

QUOTE THIEF QUOTE THIEF

As for the hype regarding this announcement...I'm not buying into it. An announcement with no evidence is just that, and considering how Squeenix's last batch of FF games has turned out, I'm not holding my breath for them keeping the story fairly close to the original. In fact, that trailer doesn't mean a damn thing to me, since it doesn't show a single area from the original game, barring Midgar, and is overlaid with the same cryptic-ass shit that Advent Children's prologue had.

"Oh but they said there was gonna be another Reunion that means it's a true remake!"

What a crock. Personally, I think this initial hype is solely because the fans have been badgering and screaming for it for almost twenty years. I predict that once footage starts to come out and announcements about plot changes are made that hype's gonna turn sour real fucking quick.

But I do know one thing. If they remove Mukki my jimmies will be beyond rustled.

Beyond rustled, Bubby.

[VladCT]

I suppose most of the punch in Aerith's death comes from the fact that she was a playable character, and seeing as only FF4 dabbled in killing off PCs prior to FF7 (FF5 doesn't count as it wasn't released internationally at the time), without prior knowledge players would certainly be shocked when she bites the dust.

[Maedhros]

Discussing things without any concrete data is an exercise in futility. Opinions will be made and ignored, because that shit is subjective.

What I'm saying is: FFVII is a highly acclaimed game, by both fans and critics. This is a fact, not an opinion. It's not a perfect game by any accounts (for me, only Super Metroid holds that candle).

But of course, there's always people who don't like something in anything. Doesn't make something overrated. Is Minecraft overrated just because I find it a borefest? No, it's just not for me.

[Dracula9]

Troll harder, bro. I never said critical acclaim was invalid here, only that sales figures are.

To call something overrated is, itself, an opinion, and is based upon the collective opinions of whatever's being called as such. Considering the large amount of people among the fanbase who declare the game perfect when it's anything but, it is not a reach to declare the game overrated by such a standard.

Might want to lose the passive-aggressive tone, no shit there'll always be someone to find flaws. Good job stating the obvious.

Gotta say, you're really living up to your username there. Is attempting to prove some notion that those who voice a given viewpoint are wrong your Silmaril?

[theplottwist]

QUOTE THIEF QUOTE THIEF

The SotN comparison is something I've done for years. But I stole the rest because there is only so many ways to word it effectivelly. YOINK!

[X]

Yeah, fuck Sephiroth. I give the bastard points for being so strong in will that his spirit literally just chills in the Lifestream until he's up to wreck some more shit, but that doesn't mean it's not completely ridiculous and OP beyond what is remotely acceptable.

They have this all the time in the Dragon Ball Z series. It just takes them ten times longer and you have to sit through several episodes before the climax, lol.

[Laina]

its fanbase has made it way more overrated and overhyped than is necessary.

The same could be said of all religions games...
:3

[Dracula9]

So it could, and should be where it's accurate.

I mean, uh, your opinions are as empty as your soul!

[Laina]

Enough talk! Have at you! (translation: I have much to say regarding my youthful affair with FF7 & Square, so stay tuned for the novella, kids!)