Topic: It doesn't really make sense anymore that the Morris and Lecarde live abroad.

[Nagumo]

I thought about how weird it was for the Morris family to be living in the USA and the Lecarde family to be living in Spain. It made sense in context of Bloodlines itself, but it's just weird after IGA did some retcons to make it fit with the rest of the series. If the Morris family is supposed to fill in for the Belmonts... then what exactly are they doing on the other side of the world? Also, after the Lecardes got retconned into Belmonts off-shoots who can unlock the whip's full power, it isn't very efficient for them to a) live in Spain, and b) be separated from the Morris family by the Atlantic ocean.

I suppose you could come with some kind of handwave, but it just doesn't seem necessary from a writing perspective, and probably something better left ignored. I do think they were already doing this already, since both PoR and Judgment didn't seem to bother to bring it up (unless I missed something)

[theplottwist]

While writing/creating an explanation for this on my project, I noticed how hard to put it into words and nonsensical it was, too.

The best I could do to come up with a plausible rationalization was that:

1. Neither the Morris nor the Lecardes expected to have to team up along in place of the Belmonts.
2. They most likely were summoned to fill in the Belmont gap.
3. The Belmonts must've had a pretty strong contact with (at least) the Morris prior to passing on the whip. I mean, they trusted the most powerful weapon to some offshoots overseas for no reason?

The only other thing I could think about why they were so separate like that was so that the lineage couldn't be wiped out so easily, ensuring that people able to wield the whip were abound.

One thing that keeps bugging me is that the Morris are said to descend directly from Trevor Belmont. Aside the obvious "Why aren't they "main Belmonts" if they descend directly from Trevor" I wonder... At which point did Trevor give rise to the Morris? He broke up with Sypha after she gave birth or something? Or maybe he did have an affair before Sypha? A mystery for the ages...

[zangetsu468]

One thing that keeps bugging me is that the Morris are said to descend directly from Trevor Belmont. Aside the obvious "Why aren't they "main Belmonts" if they descend directly from Trevor" I wonder... At which point did Trevor give rise to the Morris? He broke up with Sypha after she gave birth or something? Or maybe he did have an affair before Sypha? A mystery for the ages...

Not necessarily an affair. The Vampire Killer always falls into the next elected "Belmont" heir's possession. From Iga's canon this has always been a male heir, part of the true Belmont lineage would involve taking the name, otherwise Belmonts with different last names would wield the VK. From Leon to Julius a direct lineage with the Belmont name has been upheld ie the true "Belmont" line.

Trevor could have had multiple offspring and from x offspring (who weren't of the true "Belmont" line) this begat the Morris family.

[X]

The only other thing I could think about why they were so separate like that was so that the lineage couldn't be wiped out so easily, ensuring that people able to wield the whip were abound.

This explanation would most likely make the most sense. If you have Belmonts and their closest relatives scattered about the world then it makes it that much more difficult for Dracula's forces to find and kill them all.

One thing that keeps bugging me is that the Morris are said to descend directly from Trevor Belmont. Aside the obvious "Why aren't they "main Belmonts" if they descend directly from Trevor" I wonder... At which point did Trevor give rise to the Morris? He broke up with Sypha after she gave birth or something? Or maybe he did have an affair before Sypha? A mystery for the ages...

This is easily explainable. Trevor, obviously, had multiple children. Trevor's firstborn is a boy and he is given the Vampirekiller later on when he comes of age and skill. He second born could very well be a girl. Once she's older she marries into a family that would eventually become the Morris clan. As for the Lecardes I have no idea when they crop up but the explanation for how they come to be is most likely the same as it is for the Morris clan.

Trevor could have had multiple offspring and from x offspring (who weren't of the true "Belmont" line) this begat the Morris family.

I would say 'true in name only' as all Belmont offspring carries the Belmont's mystical blood in them. Even if they don't have the Vampirekiller they are still a cut about the rest of the Vampire hunters.

[theANdROId]

I feel like I heard somewhere that the Lecardes were descendants of Alucard and Maria.  I don't have the slightest clue where I heard that, and don't really know the nitty-gritty-details enough to know if this would really make sense.  I mean, SotN happens before Bloodlines...but that doesn't mean anything.

[X]

I feel like I heard somewhere that the Lecardes were descendants of Alucard and Maria.

I've heard this one as well.

[theplottwist]

I feel like I heard somewhere that the Lecardes were descendants of Alucard and Maria.  I don't have the slightest clue where I heard that, and don't really know the nitty-gritty-details enough to know if this would really make sense.  I mean, SotN happens before Bloodlines...but that doesn't mean anything.

It's a somewhat popular hypothesis spawned from the fact that Lecarde sounds like what Alucard + Renard would sound if combined. Except that I doubt someone would name their entire lineage after a nickname.

Plus, it goes against Alucard's character. He wants to free the world from his cursed bloodline. It makes no sense for him to procreate with humans.

[Shiroi Koumori]

How about Maria adopted a kid and gave the surname Lecarde?

[zangetsu468]

What if Alucard had trained/ mentored the first in a lineage of warriors? I though the Alcarde Spear and the Alucard Spear were the same weapon? Unless I'm missing something here.

[Mystic Myotis]

I assume that the Belmonts made a point of scattering apart during the 1800's which is why no one could find them.  This explains the Morrises being in the US.

Alucard obviously has some sort of connection to the Lecarde family but it's almost certainly not a blood-link of any kind.  Perhaps he took someone under his wing in order to compensate for the missing Belmonts, and perhaps this happened in Spain because maybe Alucard found out about Nostradamus' prophecy in Spain?

[Nagumo]

I might be basing this on outdated information, but IGA explained once that Richter was ashamed he was possessed by Shaft, so he ended up passing the whip to the Morris family. But I suppose OoE kind off goes against that since that game went with the Belmonts-have-disappeared angle, and I believe it's mentioned that the Vampire Killer has been lost. Which makes me wonder what's the reason for this, both in-universe and from a narrative sense

[theANdROId]

Richter could have willingly disappeared out of shame.  I don't recall about VK missing though.

And doesn't Maria go after Alucard at the end of SotN?  Maybe her womanly wiles changed Alucard's mind? ;-) Or maybe they came up with another plan to use his lineage against Drac?

[Nagumo]

Richter could have willingly disappeared out of shame.

Oh yeah, that's exactly what he said. Richter disappeared along with Annette. To clarify what I said in my previous, OoE brought up how the Belmonts seem to have disappeared, and I guess that includes the Morris family as well. Apperently they weren't even around since all these organizations had to be set up in order to deal with Dracula's monsters. After they got the Vampire Killer I guess they sat around doing nothing for a 100 years. I wonder why that is?

[beingthehero]

My personal lil' unofficial fan theory is that after the events of SotN, the Belmonts - whether Richter or another family member - heard about Nosferatu's prophecy. They passed along Vampire Killer to their American cousins, and quietly disappeared from Romania. Because the prophecy said Dracula would return in the year 1999 at his most powerful state (and because his loyal priest was out of the picture), the Belmonts did not anticipate Dracula would revive in between then.

Of course he did during the events of Bram Stoker's Dracula, 100 years after SotN (I've no idea how much of that story is canon beyond Quincey Morris killing Dracula). Plus there's the earlier events of CotM and OoE, and of course Bartley and Brauner taking advantage of the mass deaths during the two World Wars to summon Castlevania.

tl;dr - I think Richter assumed Dracula wouldn't come back until 1999 and let the whip go to the USA, without thinking that 100 years from the events of SotN Dracula would come back anyways.

[zangetsu468]

My personal lil' unofficial fan theory is that after the events of SotN, the Belmonts - whether Richter or another family member - heard about Nosferatu's prophecy. They passed along Vampire Killer to their American cousins, and quietly disappeared from Romania. Because the
Of course he did during the events of Bram Stoker's Dracula, 100 years after SotN (I've no idea how much of that story is canon beyond Quincey Morris killing Dracula).

The official timeline that was provided with POR (looking at you Nagumo) states QM "keeps Dracula at bay" when the Stoker Novel happens. What does this mean? The events surrounding this are canon and Dracula's complete revival was prevented.

Whether this was initially supposed to be his centennial resurrection or not? Probably, but it was prevented by QM's actions.