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The Mandela Effect
« on: August 02, 2016, 03:06:49 AM »
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Has anyone heard of this or experienced it?

There are so many examples I can go into (aside from that of Mandela himself)

Famous quotes such as:

"Mirror, mirror on the wall" (Snow White and the 7 Dwarves animated movie)
"Luke, I am your father" (The Empire Strikes back)
"Life is like a box of chocolates" (Forrest Gump)
"Houston, we have a problem" (Apollo 13)

^Are all wrong^.. The thing is, look for your oldest VHS copies of these films and they will all be different now, these quotes no longer exist and have been replaced with slight variations.



Apparently Hitler had blue eyes  :/ Really? I was tought he had brown eyes and hair which is why people found his ideals so ironic.

The Berenstain Bears, does anyone remember Berenstein like I do?

The Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz carries a handgun now, aren't they worried the gun will go off? He doesn't have a brain afterall, I guess that explains a lot.

The VW symbol where the V and W are joined now has a slash in the middle

C3P0 has a silver leg, and always has, so they say.

Capricorn is a goat symbol right? Nope, Sea-Goat.

Religious people are also saying certain versions of their bible verses have been altered. Apparently there was a very famous verse in Isaiah about the "Lion laying down with the lamb" which is now "wolf will dwell with the lamb".

Needless to say, the examples themselves aren't what's affecting me anymore, I'm standing on the precipice of something I've never seen before. Years ago I theorised that tomorrow I could wake up and everything could be different, thus I had better seize today. I just never really thought that reality might shift in such a way.


I've done digging and seen plenty of videos addressing examples (the what) but not exactly the how, though there are now some common theories.

One thing I will say is that anything I've listed in this piece of text which is apparently now wrong, I guarantee that even with bible verses it will come up in google. So, I don't really know what to make of it but it seems to be affecting pop culture and the good book. (I'm not sure about texts from other religions)

Is anyone else being shown this or being affected by this in some way? I'm interested to see if I'm alone this time.
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Re: The Mandela Effect
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2016, 10:25:06 AM »
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The Physical theory of the multiverse argues that since there's an infinite number of parralel universes, everything that COULD exist in your imagination, does exist in some universe.
History is also a theory; This is something that needs to be said. What we believe history to be is what happened TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE. This means what we know to be true about our past is not neccassarily true. Our own memory also decieves us sometimes. 

As for Popular misquotes. There's one biblical quote that's misquoted and also understood wrong in my country.
There's this quote in the bible: "The virtuous man shall live by his faith". Originally, it meant that a virtuous man shall LIVE if he has faith.
Today, it is often misquoted in Israel as "(Each) Man shall live by his faith", and understood as "Every man is free to choose what he believes in".  :rollseyes:
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Re: The Mandela Effect
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2016, 06:24:50 PM »
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The Physical theory of the multiverse argues that since there's an infinite number of parralel universes, everything that COULD exist in your imagination, does exist in some universe.
History is also a theory; This is something that needs to be said. What we believe history to be is what happened TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE. This means what we know to be true about our past is not neccassarily true. Our own memory also decieves us sometimes. 

As for Popular misquotes. There's one biblical quote that's misquoted and also understood wrong in my country.
There's this quote in the bible: "The virtuous man shall live by his faith". Originally, it meant that a virtuous man shall LIVE if he has faith.
Today, it is often misquoted in Israel as "(Each) Man shall live by his faith", and understood as "Every man is free to choose what he believes in".  :rollseyes:

Thanks for the input Freddy.

One thing of concern regarding bible verses is that there have been bible expositories written that have quoted these verses that "no longer exist".
If one google image searches "Lion and Lamb" you will get so many hits, yet wolf and lamb is not the same. Here's an example of another verse pertaining to the lion and the lamb that no longer seems to exist https://marlendy.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/lion-and-lamb-card1.jpg

Regarding multiverse theory I am fully aware, my concern is that a precious reality could have shifted into this one. I could've sworn some years ago that Dan Aykroyd had died and his last name was spelled "Akroyd".

BerenstAin bears also hit me hard as I remember that show when I was a child, vividly.

There are a lot of theories that CERN has opened up a black hole or torn the fabric of space with their collider. This is reminding me of the TV show fringe, which is seriously the closest thing in my mind that makes sense.

If anyone is going through this, God bless as I know I felt completely blind sighted at the time.

EDIT: For Americans here is a massive one http://mandelaeffectproof.blogspot.com.au/2016/06/kennedy-assassination-how-many-in-car.html Conflicting ideas about how many people were in JFK's car when he was shot. The footage shows a 6 seater, yet they didn't release those until 1965. The News article after his death and the Replica cars in the Kennedy museum as well as others are 4 seaters. When I was a kid I recall seeing the footage being black and white with a 4 seater, now it's colour and there are 6 people riding in the car, and his wife never flinches the whole time although the other passengers are ducking for cover when they hear the gunshot.

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Re: The Mandela Effect
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2016, 07:37:58 PM »
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Er, I'm fairly sure the Mandela Effect refers purely to a collective misremembering of information--not something to do with parallel universes and reality clauses and spacetime distortion.

I can say Hitler had blonde hair and blue eyes, but history proves otherwise and me saying that isn't affecting the sum of the fabric of reality or whatever. It's just me saying something that's incorrect, and the Mandela Effect is that to the umpteenth degree--it's the Telephone Game on a global scale. It's a social phenomenon attempting to explain how people can come to believe incorrect information due to various social interactions and behaviors. Nothing more, and certainly nothing that calls for bringing up a bunch of damn conspiracy theories and Truther shit.

I'll let this handsome chap sum up my thoughts on the oddities in this thread:

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Re: The Mandela Effect
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2016, 12:53:46 AM »
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Haha, oh man, this is all kind of screwing with my head right now.

The C3PO and Scarecrow/gun things sound crazy, but I'll also readily admit that both could easily be just things that I didn't remember. I haven't seen Star Wars or Wizard of Oz since I was a kid, so I have no real basis to try and refute those.

But the Berenstain Bears??? My brain just stubbornly refuses to accept that as fact.
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Re: The Mandela Effect
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2016, 01:35:10 AM »
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D9 that's a selective description. It's masses remembering alternate events to the way history has currently been documented. If two people remember the same event with different details, both memories still exist even if the events could have only happened one way.

Er, I'm fairly sure the Mandela Effect refers purely to a collective misremembering of information... certainly nothing that calls for bringing up a bunch of damn conspiracy theories and Truther shit.

I'll let this handsome chap sum up my thoughts
There's seriously no need for condescension. I can accept that your opinions are different, but I don't see the need to be dismissive when no one is forcing opinions onto you. You of all people have hated others' opinions pushed onto you in passed threads and have cracked the shits about it.

I'm simply posting this up as a matter of interest to see if anyone else has felt the effects. Some may doubt the authenticity, however, simply ask yourself how a Museum dedicated to Kennedy as well as a newspaper from the day of his death both preserved the incorrect car and photographed another 4 seater which just happened to be at the scene of his death. It doesn't make any sense particularly when journalists and historians dedicate their time to something that made international news before the existence of the internet.

Additionally, I'm not proposing it's a conspiracy theory. However, it's not a quote-unquote conspiracy theory, though theories do exist that either CERN's D-wave computer or Hadron Collider is responsible. Earlier this year, after multiple online theories pointing at CERN they released this music video https://youtu.be/H0Lt9yUf-VY which suspiciously has the word "Mandela" at 2:32. I'm not pushing the conspiracy theory, as I'd actually been noticing the Mandela Effect since 1996, or even earlier. I'm not even certain CERN was operational then.

I also find it strange several yt accounts have been shut down and these were some of the first to make videos about the ME.

JR I completely understand, I checked all the old texts in my garage and they now say "stAin".
Thanks for your input. 
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Re: The Mandela Effect
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2016, 11:11:08 AM »
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You misunderstand.

I opened the thread expecting discussion about collective misremembering (which is what the Effect is documented as being) and the various facets of things, and I walked in on stuff about the Hadron Collider and reality clauses and the multiverse. Bit of a drastic leap from expectation, is all.


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Re: The Mandela Effect
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2016, 03:17:27 PM »
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You misunderstand.

I opened the thread expecting discussion about collective misremembering (which is what the Effect is documented as being) and the various facets of things, and I walked in on stuff about the Hadron Collider and reality clauses and the multiverse. Bit of a drastic leap from expectation, is all.

Your post was still laced with undertones of condescension and involved sarcastic imagery, not that I care. What I'm less accepting of is people being dismissive of others. You specifically keep referring to it as "misremembering" rather than remembering alternate events which is making it sound as if the people experiencing this are with unfaithful memories. I'm fully aware that the best of us remember certain things incorrectly. But for so many people to recall the same exact particulars/ specifics which did once exist (some still do) in some form of recorded information/ text is a massive red flag and cause for concern. One person is more likely to have a "false" memory than sharing that false memory with hundreds of thousands of other people.

I really hope this does not happen to anyone else reading this thread including yourself as it can be a massive shell shock and can have one in confliction with one's own memories, as JR mentioned. At the same time I feel as if the CVD is a community of trust (for the most part anyway) and it's worth mentioning when not much is known about said topic.

However, the CERN info is another facet of the ME, as the two seem to be linked in most peoples' view which is why I brought it up. Though I digress as I'm not asking anyone to believe what I'm saying on any specific "facet", only bringing up all of those I know to see if others have either read about it, been affected by it or had an opinion on any available information to do with the ME.

There's a reason people are jumping to such explanations. People with these memories do not believe they are remembering false or incorrect information. In the case of JFK for example there is evidence left behind that events of the past are actually changing and people who recall the event as I did (4 people in the car, not 6) can only rationalise this. 
If the past has been altered somehow most are rationalising that it's CERN due to the nature of what they're doing. As I said I'd never even heard of CERN prior to researching this.

There is other evidence to indicate things have changed such as "LooneyToons.com" being a registered web domain before "LooneyTunes.com" ever was, there once existing a "BerenstEin bear land" and websites listing children's cartoon having had "Berenstein" up until the early 2000's when everything seems to have shifted. Apparently the Lord's Prayer in the KJV bible has changed from "forgive us our trespasses" to "forgive us our debts" (though if noticed the two prayers coexisting in 1996, now trespasses doesn't seem to exist in text).

For me personally I don't know about time being altered. I believe this "new" information could be a shift in consciousness whereby some people are experiencing it and some aren't. It seems to be affecting people more so of a specific age demographic born 30-40 years + ago. 
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Re: The Mandela Effect
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2016, 03:56:53 PM »
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Discussing this is just like discussing Solipsism -- one party can never agree with the (enormous) leaps in logic to reach such incredible conclusions, and the other can never provide cold evidence.

Ex: If I say that I remember six people on the JFK event, you'll say I'm a native of this universe which is why I remember six. Just like a solipsist will say that I have memories of my childhood because I was built with them on my brain. Got to the point where nothing I say will ever change your mind. Not even if I were a top neurologist and psychiatrist.

I'd just like to see a little more of Occam's Razor on these posts (yes, it is perfectly plausible for hundreds of people to remember something wrong given the approximation of the discrepant events, such as "Berenstain" and "Berenstein" which both are pronounced exactly the same, and we are extremely overexposed to "stein", amongst other important details ignored to make this hypothesis work). But again, that's what I'd like to see, not what people want to do.

So, by all means, carry on.
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Re: The Mandela Effect
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2016, 05:56:48 PM »
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I'd just like to see a little more of Occam's Razor on these posts (yes, it is perfectly plausible for hundreds of people to remember something wrong given the approximation of the discrepant events, such as "Berenstain" and "Berenstein" which both are pronounced exactly the same, and we are extremely overexposed to "stein"

Stain as in "Stain on your shirt"is not the same as Stein, pronounced "steen" or "stine".

The son of the Berenstain Bears creators' Jan and Stan has also commented  saying that in school his father had a teacher who told him that "Berenstain" was not a real name and in their class he'd be referred to as something like "Bernshtyne".


Discussing this is just like discussing Solipsism -- one party can never agree with the (enormous) leaps in logic to reach such incredible conclusions, and the other can never provide cold evidence.
Plottwist this is not the case and this is exactly why I brought up JFK http://mandelaeffectproof.blogspot.com.au/2016/06/kennedy-assassination-how-many-in-car.html

Scroll half way down and "Life" Magazine has photographed the actual car from the day JFK was shot, which is a 4 seater.
Now the actual video from when he was shot shows a 6 seater. How is this anything but cold evidence?
All the re-enactments which were done by secret service also show a 4-seater as the 6 was not released until 1965.
The Kennedy museum shows a replica of their car from the day JFK was shot, also a 4 seater.

Even if anyone who ever recalled the JFK assassination was wrong, a magazine article photographed the car itself as I'm sure at least a few journo's from media entities aside from Life did because it would've been a field day and the most breaking news of anyone's death at the time, let alone murder of such a high profile person of interest.

There are some things that will never be agreed upon, there are some things that are in plain sight but people will refuse to see them anyway. So all I'm doing is presenting the information I know, the example above of JFK is not something that's being fabricated.

This has nothing to do with anyone being natives of any universe and I'm sticking to logic despite the fact I seemed to have experienced this with several things in my life. However, if people just aren't going to bother looking at the info posted then I feel my urges to have a rational conversation subside once I've posted the information for others to see. It's very easy to blame one or multiple persons or look to one reason (as people are doing with CERN) which is why I'm trying to approach something rationally which is not 'rational' in the scientific sense. Although I don't wish it upon anyone, I was hoping that if by chance someone at the CVD had also gone through this they may be able to shed certain insight which you just don't obtain reading or using yt comments.
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Re: The Mandela Effect
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2016, 06:25:10 PM »
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Zangetsu, did you actually Google "JFK four or six" ?

I did. Many Mandella Effect results appeared, including from the ME subreddit. Click on those and read them. People who believe in the effect have a perfectly plausible explanation for why you can't remember the car being six seats. In fact, the whole Magic Bullet stuff only exists because the car had to be a six-seater. And those predate the ME by quite some years.

Have you ever stopped here to think: "MAYBE I think the car was a four-seater because people have been reproducing the car wrong all this time"? Furthermore "These people might be reproducing the car wrong because at the time not enough information was available and thus they thought it was a four seater"?

I am aware of the four-seat discrepancy. And I give it to you that it's strange. But I'll also say you're not doing a good research. And here's how I know it:

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Scroll half way down and "Life" Magazine has photographed the actual car from the day JFK was shot, which is a 4 seater.

Except that the car in the picture is not "the actual car", but the vice president's car: http://74.81.92.162/InvImages/37012.jpg

You're not being skeptic. You're picking the very first results you see without criteria, much like in this case. The car isn't even JFK's, but you trusted the site telling you it is when in the very same page the magazine says it isn't.

With this info in mind, that there actually was a four-seater there somewhere, and that people nowadays, who have way more knowledge than before, have misunderstood it as being JFK's, answer this: what do you think people would presume back then, without the internet or direct access to the scene?

I know I can't prove you're wrong or convince you, but I urge you to tone down the Confirmation Bias.
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Re: The Mandela Effect
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2016, 06:42:56 PM »
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I was in the middle of editing my post (JFK, I'm still looking into atm but I'll post it here) and I was adding that granted the news article's car can not be the actual car from that day. I don't see this in text but seeing as it's not, makes much more sense now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCilWB3joXA This re-enactment for some reason uses a 4 seater car, but then shows the live footage in black and white with a 6 seater. This is also strange as the 6 seater was not released until 1965 and the documentary was released in 1964.


I did. Many Mandella Effect results appeared, including from the ME subreddit. Click on those and read them. People who believe in the effect have a perfectly plausible explanation for why you can't remember the car being six seats. In fact, the whole Magic Bullet stuff only exists because the car had to be a six-seater. And those predate the ME by quite some years.[/i]

It still doesn't change the secret service re-enactments or the JFK museum's replica (with JFK and his wife) sitting in a 4 seater car. Nor the 6 seater only being released in 1965. Unless the President was given that car by the manufacturer at an earlier date or had that model specially made prior to 65.

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Re: The Mandela Effect
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2016, 06:56:22 PM »
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Have you considered that they might have used a four-seater for reenactments because the presidential car was one of a kind (different from the much more common four-seater) and there was neither resources nor time to acquire an exact replica? This would explain why so many replicas get it wrong.

Furthermore: Why didn't the real car keep it's "four-seater" quality, but the replicas did? What kind of selective history change is that that doesn't touch the replicas but specificaly targets the real car? Too convenient.

Plus, when you exclude ALL replicas that got the six-seat detail correct, then of course there will only remain the "four-seat" replicas. This is the Sharpshooter bias/fallacy, by the way.
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Re: The Mandela Effect
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2016, 07:48:07 PM »
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Have you considered that they might have used a four-seater for reenactments because the presidential car was one of a kind (different from the much more common four-seater) and there was neither resources nor time to acquire an exact replica? This would explain why so many replicas get it wrong.

Yes I have. One would think for a re-enactment the 6 seater aspect supersedes the importance of what model the car was given there were others involved and affected. The model of car makes no difference to how he died. They could have used any 6 seater convertible which looked vaguely similar and when filmed at that distance in black and white barely anyone could tell the difference in a re-enactment. The film called "The Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald" also uses that reenactment footage and references 4 people. Although it's still odd they omitted the 2 additional people to me, one may pass off as using that footage to lower the budget. It's more omitting the 2 people that seems strange.

Furthermore: Why didn't the real car keep it's "four-seater" quality, but the replicas did? What kind of selective history change is that that doesn't touch the replicas but specificaly targets the real car? Too convenient.

More like it is plausible for people to get things wrong, but rare for historians to incorrectly preserve the memory of a president as well known as JFK. Although it may require effort, it's not hard for a panel shop to take 4 seater and turn it into a 6 particularly when that car won't be driven. It's down to materials, time and labour. Painting and panel beating would take longer than re-welding the car. I guess those particular historians just watched one documentary/ film and called it a day.

Most 3d reenactments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBXW1-VGmM including this documentary from 2008 got it right with 6 seats. Though this documentary was made much later, and the general consensus is that ME was thought to take effect after the year 2000. (Though I believe it's been ongoing for longer)

Plus, when you exclude ALL replicas that got the six-seat detail correct, then of course there will only remain the "four-seat" replicas.

This is true. Though one would think that the closer something is made/ recreated to the actual date that a particular event has happened, then the more accurate in theory it should be. There is less chance of error that someone remembers something that happened last week than if it happened 40 years ago for example.
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Re: The Mandela Effect
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2016, 08:25:41 PM »
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Since plot's explaining my issues in more detail than I care to, I'll take my leave of the thread.

However, I'd like to state for the record that yes, my OP was a bit condescending, but mostly due to the drastic leaps I've made my stance on known and that plot has been divulging in greater detail. It's less me being dismissive of possibility and more me being skeptical for much the same reasons plot's explained. When I say "misremembering," that refers to a collective difference in remembering given facts in the context of what is more supported and/or considered to be the truth--not me going "oh well you guys are just remembering shit wrong because that's how I feel" as you seem to be interpreting (or at least as far as I'm interpreting your interpretations).

This thread went from zero to sixty way faster in all of two or three posts, and as such any building-up to certain fields of discussion weren't something I was able to do or read--therefore, I'm gonna take its contents a bit more skeptically or less seriously than I might otherwise, since the leap to more extreme ends of the subject matter came out of the woodwork practically immediately.

I started off a bit of a dick, and if that rubbed you the wrong way, I apologize for that. The thread's simply gone in a direction that I wasn't expecting it to faster than I would have thought, and that rubbed me the wrong way accordingly.

But as I said, I'll take my leave of it since I don't have a particularly strong investment in it and thus cannot contribute as effectively to it.


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