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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #810 on: November 24, 2018, 09:27:48 AM »
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no, but maybe i should.  where can i find it?
Uh, I'll just give you a relevant excerpt:
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Hmm, now that I'm re-reading it, I'm not too pleased.  That's what I get for writing in the middle of the night.  I may have to tweak it.

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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #811 on: November 24, 2018, 02:55:13 PM »
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The "he's actually real" part is the big fedora tip we didn't need.
best part is that she's wrong about that too. in season 1 demons confirm to the bishop that god (and thus, also satan) are real. lisa's screwed when she gets to the afterlife.
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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #812 on: November 25, 2018, 05:34:06 AM »
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best part is that she's wrong about that too. in season 1 demons confirm to the bishop that god (and thus, also satan) are real. lisa's screwed when she gets to the afterlife.
Hmm, there are Christians who don't believe in Satan, though, and the show also implies that grace through faith is insufficient (otherwise the bishop would have been fine).  Your assumption is based upon the idea that disbelief nets you a one-way ticket to Hell, which not everyone subscribes to, not even all Christians.

It's worth pointing out that the video games don't align with typical Christianity either; they have reincarnation in their plots and such.  If the show decides to get into that, too, and if Mina is included and they make it clear that she is Lisa reincarnated (which, I mean... come on, that's what she is), then the subject of the afterlife becomes a bit murky.

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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #813 on: November 25, 2018, 10:10:20 AM »
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Hmm, there are Christians who don't believe in Satan, though, and the show also implies that grace through faith is insufficient (otherwise the bishop would have been fine).  Your assumption is based upon the idea that disbelief nets you a one-way ticket to Hell, which not everyone subscribes to, not even all Christians.

It's worth pointing out that the video games don't align with typical Christianity either; they have reincarnation in their plots and such.  If the show decides to get into that, too, and if Mina is included and they make it clear that she is Lisa reincarnated (which, I mean... come on, that's what she is), then the subject of the afterlife becomes a bit murky.

Honestly, I don't think reincarnation is a huge stick in the mud for Christianity as a whole if you already acknowledge the existence of both miracles and the Resurrection of Christ.
While I personally disagree that Mina must be a reincarnation of Lisa, there's nothing in the general Christian dogma that outright discounts it -- if one accepts that God is all knowing and all powerful, who are we to tell Him what He's allowed to do with his time, especially as it pertains to the redemption of the ultimate lost and wayward soul?

I mean, I personally think that Mina could just as easily be someone Soma met, whether by chance, fate, or divine providence. And she happened to be the RIGHT someone. God may have ordained that the same process or force that caused Dracula's soul to recycle and be reborn as Soma Cruz do the same for Lisa. That being said: I feel that, since escaping the "cycle" of Dracula is Plot Element Number One of Soma's arc, having Lisa (a major component of the cycle, if not the most major) be tied up in that would actually sabotage the purpose of Soma's reincarnation. Letting go of the past is the biggest part of moving on, after all. This is why I think it serves the story arc a bit better to have Mina be the "someone new" that gets what's left of Dracula to move on from Lisa; now unchained from his past in every way, Soma is free to choose his path in a way Dracula wasn't able to.

Having Lisa involved in all of that just mucks up the storytelling, in my opinion. You CAN tell the same story with that, but I just think it gets needlessly complicated and a little less beautiful/meaningful.

But then again, I'm not about to tell the Big G how to do His business either.
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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #814 on: November 25, 2018, 11:18:59 AM »
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Hmm, there are Christians who don't believe in Satan, though, and the show also implies that grace through faith is insufficient (otherwise the bishop would have been fine).  Your assumption is based upon the idea that disbelief nets you a one-way ticket to Hell, which not everyone subscribes to, not even all Christians.

I can agree with this. Just because someone doesn't believe in the full set of Christianity doesn't automatically mean he's/she's going to be damned for all eternity. That's just a scare tactic invented/employed by the long-since defunct Roman Empire. It's got nothing to do with Jesus' actual teachings. The wonderful thing about us is that we have Free Will. One of god's gifts to us. We decide what we want or don't want to believe in. It's all up to us, not some religious institution. Take what you believe in and leave the rest that you'd consider garbage behind. But that's not to say we can't be damned of course, because we can. But only if we turn away from god willingly. See? Again, it's our choice. Nobody's going to condemn us because they can't. They don't control us in anyway shape or form. Excommunication by the so-called church authorities is garbage. We do it to ourselves because we are the masters of our own lives. But most are never taught this in religion. And for very specific reasons. I don't believe that Lisa, a woman whom loves Dracula and helps the ill and infirm, would be condemned by god for her actions. Love is the power of god (Love, Light and Sound actually). God could have very well been reaching out to Dracula and the people through Lisa and her unyielding devotion to them (as god works in mysterious ways), but the Church authorities wouldn't see it that way. And so they condemned her to death.
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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #815 on: November 25, 2018, 12:38:38 PM »
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If I recall correctly, Pope Francis indicated that he believes atheists can go to heaven, but I am not a Catholic so I don't pay much attention.

That being said: I feel that, since escaping the "cycle" of Dracula is Plot Element Number One of Soma's arc, having Lisa (a major component of the cycle, if not the most major) be tied up in that would actually sabotage the purpose of Soma's reincarnation. Letting go of the past is the biggest part of moving on, after all. This is why I think it serves the story arc a bit better to have Mina be the "someone new" that gets what's left of Dracula to move on from Lisa; now unchained from his past in every way, Soma is free to choose his path in a way Dracula wasn't able to.

Having Lisa involved in all of that just mucks up the storytelling, in my opinion. You CAN tell the same story with that, but I just think it gets needlessly complicated and a little less beautiful/meaningful.
That's an interesting perspective on Mina's role in the story.  Tbh, I just wish the series had actually clarified whether or not she was because it bothers me that it was never addressed.

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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #816 on: November 25, 2018, 11:44:07 PM »
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Uh, I'll just give you a relevant excerpt:
(click to show/hide)

Hmm, now that I'm re-reading it, I'm not too pleased.  That's what I get for writing in the middle of the night.  I may have to tweak it.
Oh thanks for that, I liked where it seemed to be heading.

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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #817 on: December 04, 2018, 05:21:21 PM »
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Well, that sucks.  It looks like there’s only a US/Canada regional version of the blu-ray and dvd release of Castlevania season one.  I’m rather disappointed in that. 
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