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One questions about Simon Belmont
« on: April 06, 2020, 07:38:42 PM »
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Hi guys:

In the Castlevania wiki look for info about Simon Belmont and this says that he was 22 years old at the time of his battle against Dracula, but I can not find any information about it on the web

Someone knows something about it?

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Re: One questions about Simon Belmont
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2020, 09:20:25 PM »
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Someone mentions here on gamefaqs https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/578318-castlevania/67011503 that Simon is 24 years old. but whether 22 or 24 he still a young man (by modern standards).
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Re: One questions about Simon Belmont
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2020, 11:59:18 PM »
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Someone mentions here on gamefaqs https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/578318-castlevania/67011503 that Simon is 24 years old. but whether 22 or 24 he still a young man (by modern standards).

Still sort of young by 17th century standards as well. Life expectancy by then had progressed enough that people were regularly living into their 40's and 50's, even in middle class families. Hell, if you were rich and lived in a well-to-do city, you could actually live into your 70's without anyone being too surprised.

What I guess I'm saying is that there is a real chance that Juste Belmont could have grown up on granddaddy Simon's knee and at least begun his training under the watchful eye of The Legend Himself because there's only 57 years between Castlevania 1 and Harmony of Dissonance and Simon M. Belmont (the M stands for MANLY) wasn't just any run of the mill bro. This was a bro who had personally whipped Death Himself to death TWICE. Skull and Scythe probably was legit scared to try to collect.
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Re: One questions about Simon Belmont
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2020, 12:15:35 AM »
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Simon's age is mentioned in the Order of Ecclesia Bradygames Official Guide. He's supposed to be 23, not 22.

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Re: One questions about Simon Belmont
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2020, 06:55:38 AM »
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Simon's age is mentioned in the Order of Ecclesia Bradygames Official Guide. He's supposed to be 23, not 22.

Isn't any info gleaned out of Judgement dubious at best?
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Re: One questions about Simon Belmont
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2020, 07:21:37 AM »
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Isn't any info gleaned out of Judgement dubious at best?

Well, let me put it this way: this info is legitimate if you accept Judgment's interpretation of the IGA canon as legitimate. The question is whether or not later games (i.e. Grimoire of Souls) work with this interpretation or if they substituted it with a different one. There are hints the latter might be the case but it's too early to say for sure. But even then, whether or not that makes Judgment's interpretation "less true" than Grimoire's is something that everyone only can decide for themselves.

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Re: One questions about Simon Belmont
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2020, 05:06:44 PM »
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Simon's age is mentioned in the Order of Ecclesia Bradygames Official Guide. He's supposed to be 23, not 22.

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Re: One questions about Simon Belmont
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2020, 08:24:53 AM »
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Isn't any info gleaned out of Judgement dubious at best?

I'd say it is. The whole game is pretty much dubious in my mind. Best to take anything from Judgement with a tremendous helping of salt.
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Re: One questions about Simon Belmont
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2020, 09:38:39 AM »
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I don't see why Igarashi would be an authority on Simon Belmont either. It's not like he created the character.

I'm guessing Simon was given an age retroactively. Konami probably didn't even think about it at the beginning.

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Re: One questions about Simon Belmont
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2020, 10:11:02 AM »
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I don't see why Igarashi would be an authority on Simon Belmont either. It's not like he created the character.

I'm guessing Simon was given an age retroactively. Konami probably didn't even think about it at the beginning.

Well yeah, info likes this obviously only applies to IGA's interpretation of the timeline (he directed the game after all). The Castlevania series doesn't consist of One-Never-Changing-Canon. Despite that common fan discourse seems to follow the above idea, canon is only something that really matters on a game-by-game basis ("So X game acknowledges games A and B, but not games C and D? Ok, got it"). Judgment, taken on its own, is obviously meant to tie in with all the games that are part of IGA's timeline. So as far as IGA's interpretation of the Castlevania universe is concerned, Simon really is 23 years old. Other people who worked on the franchise in the past on who will work on it the future are not beholden to IGA's interpretation because his vision is simply one of many.
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Re: One questions about Simon Belmont
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2020, 06:56:11 PM »
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23 in that interim period between CV1 and 2.

I take Judgement as "canon unless it contradicts something from other game". Since nothing really does, i take it as canon

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Re: One questions about Simon Belmont
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2020, 08:37:03 PM »
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I don't see why Igarashi would be an authority on Simon Belmont either. It's not like he created the character.


Well IGA did helm the entire series back in the early to mid 2000s, and props to him for even TRYING to make a coherent storyline out of the games when nobody would, I will always respect him for that and thus I hold his timeline as the canon one and if he says Simon is 23 than I'll accept that definitely.


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Re: One questions about Simon Belmont
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2020, 06:27:32 AM »
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The Simon in CVJudgment is the Simon from 'after' the events of Simon's Quest.
It's likely that he's 22 during Simon's Quest, and 23 during Judgment.
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Re: One questions about Simon Belmont
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2020, 09:17:10 AM »
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The Simon in CVJudgment is the Simon from 'after' the events of Simon's Quest.
It's likely that he's 22 during Simon's Quest, and 23 during Judgment.

That means he'd be a teenager (16 from Judgment, 15 from Simon's Quest) in the original CV when he faced Dracula for the first time. But I guess that's correct since in the story of Belmont's revenge, Soleiyu came of age at 15 in terms of being ready for official vampire hunting. For Simon though, talk about Trial by Fire.

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I take Judgement as "canon unless it contradicts something from other game". Since nothing really does, i take it as canon

There is the nonsensical love triangle between Grant, Trevor, and Sypha that was non-existent in the original CV 3 game. Like I said before 'Best to take anything from Judgement with a tremendous helping of salt.'
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Re: One questions about Simon Belmont
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2020, 11:46:01 AM »
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i wouldn't say it's nosensical considering the only CV3 with any characterization are Trevor and Alucard. Grant feelings about Sypha very well could have happened.

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