Topic: is Castlevania: OoE possibly better than Symphony?

[MarquisX]

In Reply To #78

Let them rage. It's my opinion. They don't have to agree with me. Their hate for a obviously great game does not affect my fun. As a hardcore castlevania fan, I couldn't bring myself to hate any of the games (except legends lol).

Sorry guys but SotN is what I play now when my tyenol PMs don't work!

[cecil-kain]

In Reply To #34

I don't think the topic should be Castlevania: OoE possibly better than Symphony? it should be: Can anyone admit they like other castlevanias more than SotN?

Nailed it.

Most have hailed SotN the Lord and Master of the other Castleroids with an air of nostalgia --myself included.

[MarquisX]

In Reply To #80

"There's NOTHING so pleasing to a hardcore gamer as fresh material --and none of the recent gimmicks have come close to refreshing the Castlevania experience, like SotN did back in the day"

I do see where your coming from but I disagree a tad. SotN did start this for all these other games. But Castlevania 1 started it ALL. That game hardly gets kudos. Why? I actually think the original castlevania is more fun and more groundbreaking than SotN. Over 20 years later and I still play the game a lot.

SotN may of started it's new formula but I think later games had already surprassed the experience. PoR and OoE FINALLY take that map system and expand on it (more OoE).

To dwell on that SotN started this or it hasn't been as good since SotN is like playing CV4 or RoB and dismiss it because Castlevania 1 and 3 already did that if not better.

They are just games for our enjoyment, we can all perfer one game over the other...but to hold onto SotN like some holy grail is kinda......weird.

See you and others feel the series are going downward since SotN whil I view it as IGA is taking the series in a direction we can ever only hope for. If we didn't have IGA we would have more sequels like CV64 or Legends or not even a series at all and then all we would have to talk about is SotN.

I can be a victim to nostolgia as well but I know a damn fun game when I play one. And I find a lot of the newer castlevanias to be more fun. My opinion, that's all.

[cecil-kain]

In Reply To #81

You struck a resonant chord here..  Not so much the apples/oranges comparing a classic game to a castleroid but...  How is it that SotN originated the castleroids and ends up worshipped, and yet CV1 originated the classics and ends up eclipsed by other classics.  Now that's topic-worthy.

I think games like CV3 and RoB built upon original's foundation more successfully than games like OoE and PoR build upon SotN's.  Again I could go on, but this is easily a discussion unto itself...  Perhaps I'll create such a topic later...

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Ya know, theoretically, one could even say that SotN wasn't even the original Castleroid; That honor belongs to Simon's Quest, which was set up in a very Metroid-style way.

Simon's Quest wasn't executed as well, but...

[True Sorrow]

Actually, I don't really hold SotN on such a high pedestal because it was the first, but because it's actually so good. The aesthetics make for such an amazing experience, the levels feel so well constructed, the overall pacing is so good...Despite having some of the weaker action in the series, it rises above them with all its other qualities. Nothing to do with the fact that it was the first one.

[MarquisX]

In Reply To #84

"I think games like CV3 and RoB built upon original's foundation more successfully than games like OoE and PoR build upon SotN's."

I agree with CV3 and I would add CV4. But no Rondo. RoB is a great classic castlevania and a benchmark of all the casltevanias that followed in terms of look. But the game is dealry overrated. The first 2 stages are pure gold. My favorite part of the game, mostly likely because it is homage to CV 2 and 1. But after that it is kinda blahish, no more inspiring than it's Drac X counterpart.

I thought the Drac X Chronicles was something to boast about though.

But back on subject (I refuse to say "disgress" the newest, trendy word to use on message boards) I felt SotN's following games suffered from not expanding on the map idea. Too much of the battle system and not enough thought of were the game took place...until PoR. The portiats were such a nice vacation from the single castle game.

OoE even expanded on that more.

Yeah, SotN is a incredible game that can easily be said on of the finest Castlevanias ever. BUT.... I find PoR and OoE more fun. I find a lot of the newer castleroids more fun. SotN is great but kinda a slow paced, sleepy feel game IMO. And When I play it now I kinda get, ehhhhhh.

[Saner]

SOTN is great but OoE really surpasses it in so many ways.

it's just a shame that OoE is isolated on the DS, it really should be released on Live Arcade and other online marketplaces.  it's really one of the best CVs ever and it totally overshadows CV2, except that CV2 still has the cool populated towns, town theme, and other stuff.  but ya,  I feel OoE is really one of the top 2 CV games.

[DoctaMario]

In Reply To #77

Okay, but WHY do you think OoE is better than SoTN? It's cool that you feel that way, but explain your reasoning. Because in my mind, it doesn't do much of anything better, especially where abilities and level design are concerned. And don't just use the "it's my opinion" cop out. Discuss with us.

And before we go any further, you should know that SoTN isn't my favorite CV game. It's my favorite Castleroid, but it isn't that close to the top of my favorites list. My favorites are more along the lines of Rondo (which I very much disagree with your assessment of), the 64 games, CV3&4, and Simon's Quest.

I think you should go back and read some of the other posts against OoE again. I can accept that you like it better, but for you to chalk it up to nostalgia when some of us disagree with the premise of the topic and have given concrete reasons as to why we disagree doesn't make for a healthy debate.

[MarquisX]

In Reply To #87

"Okay, but WHY do you think OoE is better than SoTN? It's cool that you feel that way, but explain your reasoning. Because in my mind, it doesn't do much of anything better, especially where abilities and level design are concerned. And don't just use the "it's my opinion" cop out. Discuss with us. "

 You really need to know why I like the game better do you? Well if it helps you sleep at night.... I like OoE because it has more challenge. The boards are more interesting with dynamic boss fights. The Glyph system is much more interesting than the weapon system of SotN (Which half of it is useless). And I do enjoy the level design in OoE better. Yes, SotN castle is great but the Invereted Castle is such a bore after you play it for the first time. Shanoa has much more intersting abilites compared to Alacard's I can turn into a usleless wolf, a bat and a fart cloud. I say this is my opinion because a lot time I choose not to waste my breath. When SotN lovers/PoR and OoE haters ask why I think one is better than the other it falls on deaf ears.

 "And before we go any further, you should know that SoTN isn't my favorite CV game. It's my favorite Castleroid, but it isn't that close to the top of my favorites list. My favorites are more along the lines of Rondo (which I very much disagree with your assessment of), the 64 games, CV3&4, and Simon's Quest."

Good for you. My favorite is Casltevania 1. Hey you disagree with me about RoB I disagree with you with SoTN. Great to have that freedom of choice, ain't it? Your prefrence isn't on debate here.


"I think you should go back and read some of the other posts against OoE again. I can accept that you like it better, but for you to chalk it up to nostalgia when some of us disagree with the premise of the topic and have given concrete reasons as to why we disagree doesn't make for a healthy debate. "

I think you just can't accept my reasons no matter which I give. SotN is not perfereed over PoR or OoE for me because I don't like the item system, half the bosses are really poor, the challenge is childish, the inverted castle is horrid, the pace and music (even the music is GREAT) puts me to sleep. I find OoE to much more exciting, solid with much more fun bosses to fight, a Dracula and Death battle worth mentioning, lots more to do and a lot of new type of levels besides the "castle". That's how I feel and I don;t care if people disagree with me. When I am playing these games I think how I like it not you.

Now, I hope I explained it to you since you MUST understand one's reasoning to liking one game over another. I read all these posts and all I see are opinions. Like mine and like yours. So an opinion is not cop out, it's how one feels about a game.

[DoctaMario]

In Reply To #88

Um, dude, you need to relax. We're having a discussion here. Simply saying, "OoE's better just because it is" adds nothing to the discussion. Maybe you'd bring up a point I hadn't though of that would cause me to change my opinion slightly. That's how a message board works. 

My preference apparently IS on debate when you quote my posts and debate them. If you don't want to get into that type of discussion, then don't start quoting posts. If you're going to quote my posts, expect me to respond.

I can accept the reasons you give for liking one game more than the other, but you didn't GIVE any until I asked you to. All you said was stuff to the effect of "SoTN is boring, people only like it because of nostalgia, etc etc" but never gave any reasons why you liked OoE better.

And you're right, this is all about personal preference. I never tried to pass off any of my opinions as facts, YOU tried to pass my opinions as facts. Ease up, we're talking about games here. It's not that serious. 

[MarquisX]

In Reply To #89

Dr. Mario, I am quite relaxed. I was never angered or offended. You are the one who came off quite passionate on your post. Please don

[DoctaMario]

In Reply To #90

Your reply to me asking you why you liked OoE was defensive, like I was attacking you simply for wanting more information.

[Algernon]

In Reply To #45

I will agree with the last statement here- OoE had some fantastic bossfights and I always looked forward to them. Possibly the best aspect of the game.

Anyway, I think they were both good for their own merits.

Those of you who think OoE sucked... I'd like to see you try and explain why, since that seems absolutely ridiculious to me. It was a great game.

[DoctaMario]

In Reply To #92

OoE isn't a bad game, but it's not a great game either. It's more of the same of what we've been getting for years, and that's why I dislike it as much as I do.