Topic: Why does IGA keep writing checks he never cashes?

[Giz]

IGA designed PoR.

Never contested this fact.

IGA authorized the release of the time included with the bonus package of PoR proving that the official time line includes CoM and LoD/64

He would have had too.

CoM (despite being place back in the time line by IGA) doesn't matter because OoE was developed by IGA and thus it doesn't matter to the time line because you thought it was a better game and it came after it.

It has nothing to do with it being a better game (which it is). I explained it already above - It has to do with the fact that CoTM's status as canon is already heavily debatable, and that the continuity is controlled by IGA thus by valid assumption, unless otherwise stated, a game released by IGA will be canon. Non-Iga games (Order of shadows) are not - as far as games released post IGA's 'take-over' are concerned anyway.

Continuing...

By that logic Kojima's would replace IGA's timeline because it was released after OoE.

Illogical personal assumption. I explained before it has nothing to do with age; it has to do with the circumstances surrounding the individual titles.

Now all with all that, IGA timeline has already been safe guarded since MS stated that LoS will have nothing to do the other games meaning the games that have been designed previous to this one.

Never contested that.

I understand that you can't comprehend that IGA might have contradicted himself, this is hard to believe since he contradicted Dracula's appearance as an evil overlord in the games the chronologically came after SotN. I understand you love IGA's games and you are willing to argue blue in the face to prove that but officially he has contradicted himself.

You assume my incomprehension but I'm afraid it simply isn't true. You assume I can't comprehend when quite clearly it is you who cannot comprehend. I never said I didn't understand your previous post, simply that so much of it is so wrong and illogical that I was flabbergasted.

Odd. I understood every word.

Odd. I never said I didn't understand what he said.
And you're so eager to jump on me that in the process you completely misunderstand the entire point of what I was saying, in the process revealing only foolishness. And you're supposed to be a staff member.

Regardless.
I personally do not believe he contradicted himself, at least not in your oft-touted instance; the evidence speaks for itself and having a simple understanding (based on said evidence, without making any leaps of faith) of the duality of Dracula's being and the mechanics by which his resurrections function as dictated by the evidence shows otherwise.

I understand that you cannot comprehend things such as this, however.

If i was IGA i would have paid more attention and placed it in the 1900s

Assuming you mean OoE, ...That's even more illogical, to have it coexist with Bloodlines and Portrait of Ruin so closely. The entire point of the game is that there is no real established organization/group to fight against Dracula, they're in the wild and they don't know what they're doing; meaning if it did take place in the 1900's it would have to take place within the first 10 years, and even that is both cutting a few corners and cutting it close.

Though he said "peace" meaning Im assuming he is done with this discussion Im still awaiting Giz's response since he will probably will want to justify his point that IGA's games are superior to all the other CVs.

Another personal assumption! Again, false. You assume I'm some kind of IGA fanboy, which while I certainly prefer IGA and do very much enjoy his games, I'd hardly qualify as such a selectively ignorant fanboy. CVI, CVIII, SCVIV are among my favorite Castlevania titles and the classic games are just as good as the new ones.

Im assuming he meant "personal" but anyway adding to my point it isn't assumptions I have (and probably more people have this too) the time line right here you probably could google it.p

Another false assumption on your behalf. When I said 'false personal assumptions', I wasn't talking about that at all. I was talking about your assumptions based on my character, opinion and belief. I am well aware of the poR timeline and was looking at it while posting. How else do you think I knew there were no plot synopsis' for the three "debatable" titles?

Its a shame you left again I think my points a very valid.

False assumption, again.

Thank you Clara Im glad to see other intelligent CV fans.

That's strange. You couldn't possibly be talking about the two of you~! Must be talking to me then. Thanks.

[Lumas]

Never contested this fact.
He would have had too.
It has nothing to do with it being a better game (which it is). I explained it already above - It has to do with the fact that CoTM's status as canon is already heavily debatable, and that the continuity is controlled by IGA thus by valid assumption, unless otherwise stated, a game released by IGA will be canon. Non-Iga games (Order of shadows) are not - as far as games released post IGA's 'take-over' are concerned anyway.

Continuing...Illogical personal assumption. I explained before it has nothing to do with age; it has to do with the circumstances surrounding the individual titles.
Never contested that.

You assume my incomprehension but I'm afraid it simply isn't true. You assume I can't comprehend when quite clearly it is you who cannot comprehend. I never said I didn't understand your previous post, simply that so much of it is so wrong and illogical that I was flabbergasted.Odd. I never said I didn't understand what he said.
And you're so eager to jump on me that in the process you completely misunderstand the entire point of what I was saying, in the process revealing only foolishness. And you're supposed to be a staff member.

Regardless.
I personally do not believe he contradicted himself, at least not in your oft-touted instance; the evidence speaks for itself and having a simple understanding (based on said evidence, without making any leaps of faith) of the duality of Dracula's being and the mechanics by which his resurrections function as dictated by the evidence shows otherwise.

I understand that you cannot comprehend things such as this, however.
Assuming you mean OoE, ...That's even more illogical, to have it coexist with Bloodlines and Portrait of Ruin so closely. The entire point of the game is that there is no real established organization/group to fight against Dracula, meaning if it did take place in the 1900's it would have to take place within the first 10 years, and even that is cutting it close.
Another personal assumption! Again, false. You assume I'm some kind of IGA fanboy, which while I certainly prefer IGA and do very much enjoy his games, I'd hardly qualify as such a selectively ignorant fanboy. CVI, CVIII, SCVIV are among my favorite Castlevania titles and the classic games are just as good as the new ones.
That's strange. You couldn't possibly be talking about the two of you~! Must be talking to me then. Thanks.

[Lumas]

Despite your valiant arguments the time line which was released before OoE states CoTM and the 64 games are official, though you had a very valid point about the 1900s OoE still contradicts the official time line. That is my point if you cant understand that I'm sorry.

[Lumas]

"I was, but you can't resist making false assumptions based on my personal character, beliefs and opinions. Such actions and horrendous misunderstandings are intolerable."

Wait coming from a guy who got warned by a moderator about calling people idiots and that thier ideas are ridiculous you are saying that my misunderstanding are horrendous? Hilter killing thousands of jews is horrendous not misunderstanding someone's character and intolerable? Thats not up to you to judge because im not going off your character im going off your previous post in this discussion.

[Lumas]

Look you can use all the big words and adjectives you want too but this was the discussion. You stated CoTM was not cannon. I proved this wrong by stating according to the official time line it was included thus making it cannon and thus contradicting OoE. You need to accept you are wrong. Now i have concrete evidence proving my point and assumption that OoE contradicts the official time line until IGA comes out with an updated one proving you right. Now Im going to stop because last time I got called out on for being cheeky and Im not about to take a break because you refuse to be wrong.

[Giz]

1. Was validating my point that the time line was updated and the games that were formerly retconned now reinstated by IGA.

2. Yes he would and he did.

Okay, I wasn't arguing with you about those. I said "yes, this is right". That was entirely pointless.

3. It is no longer debatable because it is in the official time line.

The game title is mentioned. Furthermore, if those three hadn't been mentioned there would have been a large blank spot over the 1800's, which is hardly desirable. They were obviously thrown on solely for the purpose of acknowledging their existance; they obviously don't care about the titles enough to even add a plot synopsis or some kind of validation.

4. Order of shadows was also produced by IGA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castlevania:_Order_of_Shadows

So it was. I'd heard otherwise, but I was apparently wrong. My apologies.

5. You were flabbergasted at a post that doesn't follow your opion you

[Lumas]

Okay, I wasn't arguing with you about those. I said "yes, this is right". That was entirely pointless.
The game title is mentioned. Furthermore, if those three hadn't been mentioned there would have been a large blank spot over the 1800's, which is hardly desirable. They were obviously thrown on solely for the purpose of acknowledging their existance; they obviously don't care about the titles.
So it was. I'd heard otherwise, my apologies.
I've already explained why it's simple presence is not necessarily indicative of anything. I was flabbergasted by your excess of false assumption, pointless reiteration, lack of comprehensible logic, etc. etc. etc. It has nothing to do with differing viewpoints.
I don't care whether or not OoE is contradicted or not. The fact of the matter is, the title being produced directly by IGA and not being stated as non-canon means that it inherently holds more merit then titles like COTM which have been previously discredited and were not directed by the head of series and continuity.
No, I didn't. I can tell your english isn't very good but at the very least you should possess the proper understanding to recognize what someone is saying. Even prior to the edit I said 'that is so illogical I don't even know how to respond to that'. That doesn't mean "I don't understand what you're saying". Is english your second or third language, out of curiosity?
You're tripping over yourself. What are you even trying to say, because this is quite simply not relevant to what I was referring too.

You really don't get it, do you? I don't care about something's status as a classic, or if something is the original. As simple as it sounds, I like things that i like; I can respect something for its contributions but that does not mean that I'm forced to like it. Not that it matters, I told you, I love many of the classic games and said that they are just as good as the new ones. However! They have a completely different gameplay style, and I personally enjoy the RPG/Metroidvania style more.
Honestly, some advice; You really should stop trying to assume things about your opponents, you're really bad at it and it isn't helping your case in the least.
Hahahaha. I was being facetious, for gods sake. Loosen up.
To be perfectly honest, I'm pretty close. This entire ordeal is pathetic and you're not bringing up anything even even remotely interesting; it's boring and mildly infuriating, to be perfectly honest.
I know when I am wrong, I know when I am right and I know when other people are wrong or right. I personally believe that I am right, however I do acknowledge the possibility that i am wrong; but at this point, that is irrelevant. It's not about me. It's about how wrong you are.

1. Okay we agree

2. Which makes them official regardless of what you think.

3. Okay I apologize for anything that came against you.

4. Apparently you are the only person having a hard time

5. Wow another attempt at an insult, sorry i skipped english class to smoke sorry, I cant cook either does that bother you?

6. The argument was based off of CotM being a non cannon as posted to it not and since it was a cannon its presence contradicts OoE.

7. Okay you are a fan of his work and style he uses yet CotM used the same metroid style so you aren't a hardcore fan boy. And yes you are entitled to your opinion. No argument there.

8. Dude im half drunk im about as loose as they get lol this has all been too much fun. Als you are hardly an opponent you are some guy who Im talking to in a forum

9. Then why are you still here? See you are having fun just admit it

10. Going back to that advice you were trying to give. If I was so bad how come you cant prove me wrong at the fact that those games are official and OoE contradicts the time line.

So with all that said here we go again

You said CotM non Cannon

This was proven wrong by the official time line.

OoE presence contradicts the official time line since it was stated to take place around the mid 1800s.

How am I wrong again?

[Giz]

Wow another attempt at an insult, sorry i skipped english class to smoke sorry, I cant cook either does that bother you?

Oh. It's your first language. ):

10. Going back to that advice you were trying to give. If I was so bad how come you cant prove me wrong at the fact that those games are official and OoE contradicts the time line.

No definitive proof either way.

You said CotM non Cannon

This was proven wrong by the official time line.

I said it wasn't canon and I personally stand by that statement. However that isn't what I've been trying to argue with you about the last few posts. I've been saying that the "proofs" your using are not definite proofs. I could care less what your conclusion is but the way you got there is quite simply flawed.

OoE presence contradicts the official time line since it was stated to take place around the mid 1800s.

Mid-1800's. Half of one hundred is 50, so generally give or take about 10 years. It could've occurred from 1840-1860 or so. If it occurred around 1850-1860 then that means it doesn't necessarily contradict Circle of the Moon and I imagine the two N64 titles unless they for whatever reason lay claim to what happens for about 20 years following their point in time.

10. Going back to that advice you were trying to give. If I was so bad how come you cant prove me wrong at the fact that those games are official and OoE contradicts the time line.

oh my god you literally do not understand what I'm saying
I will explain it one last time; your assumptions on my opinions and character are completely wrong. stop trying to make assumptions, you're bad at them. It has nothing to do with the OoE timeline discussion.

Dude im half drunk

That explains a lot.

I'm done. Come back when you're not half-drunk if you want to have any kind of discussion with me.

[Lumas]

Oh. It's your first language. ):
No definitive proof either way.
I said it wasn't canon and I personally stand by that statement. However that isn't what I've been trying to argue with you about the last few posts. I've been saying that the "proofs" your using are not definite proofs. I could care less what your conclusion is but the way you got there is quite simply flawed.
Mid-1800's. Half of one hundred is 50, so generally give or take about 10 years. It could've occurred from 1840-1860 or so. If it occurred around 1850-1860 then that means it doesn't necessarily contradict Circle of the Moon and I imagine the two N64 titles unless they for whatever reason lay claim to what happens for about 20 years following their point in time.
oh my god you literally do not understand what I'm saying
I will explain it one last time; your assumptions on my opinions and character are completely wrong. stop trying to make assumptions, you're bad at them. It has nothing to do with the OoE timeline discussion.
That explains a lot.

I'm done. Come back when you're not half-drunk if you want to have any kind of discussion with me.

You are the one who is personally assuming that they are still non cannon.

God this has given me such entertainment, really you are great to debate with. I do wish I would've stuck around to be better at grammar so you would've enjoyed this as much as my half drunk ass is.

"it's just reiteration after reiteration, none of which is accomplishing much of anything; it's boring and mildly infuriating, to be perfectly honest."

See you made my long boring night worth it.

As the joker said

"Oh, you. You just couldn't let me go, could you? This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object"

See come on we could go out and throw a ball and get to know one another's character.

Oh my its like almost 5 am I hope we continue this dance in future discussions.

Because i still dont see any concrete evidence proving that the updated time line states that CotM and LoD and 64 were not cannon. Just an assumption by you.

And again I never made assumptions about your character though I did state "given your previous posts you dont seem the type to swallow your pride." I wouldnt call that an assumption of your complete character. Im sure you are a swell guy

Done? Good so am I

[Giz]

And again I never made assumptions about your character though I did state "given your previous posts you dont seem the type to swallow your pride." I wouldnt call that an assumption of your complete character. Im sure you are a swell guy

All the stuff about me being an IGA fanboy, not respecting the originals, etc. etc. etc. etc. 

[Lumas]

All the stuff about me being an IGA fanboy, not respecting the originals, etc. etc. etc. etc.

[Lumas]

But since I am capable of being a bigger person and apologize if I came off making assumptions about your character then I am sorry.

No how about we go throw a ball around

I edited this so I could throw this in.

Im half drunk and its 5 am soo im gonna go pass out. Im gonna sum this argument as "You have a different opinion that differs from mine." with that I hope Giz we can move on and throw that ball around.

[A n t r a x x]

You two really need to stop this quarrel.

To speak such opinions in a thread is one thing, but to poison several topics with the same tired arguments is another, and is leaning towards thread derailments.

This sort of banter is better left to private messaging.

Just a friendly suggestion.

Your arguments were on topic until you started to throw insults at each other, and that just leads to more needless bickering.

Take it from a Dungeon user who has personally been involved in such ongoing debates in the past. This type of back and forth diatribe only turns other users away from visiting the topic at all. 

[A-Yty]

Have you happened to notice all thee non-canon games are only mentioned, not explained? A rather clear indication that they are all separate from the main timeline (which they are).

http://www.linnavaanijat.net/img/por/por_aikajanajuliste.jpg

And furthermore, who the hell cares ehat Konami of America or Konami of Europe consider canon? They have been butchering the CV story and its details from the beginning.

[justin312]

And furthermore, who the hell cares ehat Konami of America or Konami of Europe consider canon? They have been butchering the CV story and its details from the beginning.

That is my exact feeling on IGA.  I don't care much about his timeline and what he considers canon vs what he doesn't, because IMO he has butchered the CV story.  I especially don't care about his timeline now that he no longer has creative control of the series, and many of the details in his timeline will be ignored in the new story.