Topic: The Bandwagon

[Buflame]

for me 7 started my way on ff , no problem with that. remember that even in america u miss several games, your 3 was really 6, so a lot of people can easily take his 1st contact with ff in 6th chapter, i highly doubt that all superhardcore fans who stayed in the wagon,started with original one in 1986.
And yes ff changed, ff is not ff without uematsu, and its not ff without sakaguchi. Lost odyssey is much more ff than x2, xii and xiii together.even X suked hard and it has chocobos and several links to other chapters.
Anyways any western studio can introduce a Cid char, chocobos, airships,weapons names same way than SE did, just was my tough that it can be really interesting a western FF, but yes the most of FF fanboys who loves "teenagers androgines that play beachboley" as main char,emostoryes etc may hate this idea and prefer replay lolXIII over and over, and SE will never have courage to do it.
Dont get mad about it, you know we will never see a mature western ff.was only a tought that i wanted to share.

PD. yes looking forward on Last story

[e105beta]

for me 7 started my way on ff , no problem with that. remember that even in america u miss several games, your 3 was really 6, so a lot of people can easily take his 1st contact with ff in 6th chapter, i highly doubt that all superhardcore fans who stayed in the wagon,started with original one in 1986.
And yes ff changed, ff is not ff without uematsu, and its not ff without sakaguchi. Lost odyssey is much more ff than x2, xii and xiii together.even X suked hard and it has chocobos and several links to other chapters.
Anyways any western studio can introduce a Cid char, chocobos, airships,weapons names same way than SE did, just was my tough that it can be really interesting a western FF, but yes the most of FF fanboys who loves "teenagers androgines that play beachboley" as main char,emostoryes etc may hate this idea and prefer replay lolXIII over and over, and SE will never have courage to do it.
Dont get mad about it, you know we will never see a mature western ff.was only a tought that i wanted to share.

PD. yes looking forward on Last story

I'm not mad *shrug* I'm just stating an opinion.
I did start with FF1, and I actually like FFX, FFXII, and FFXIII, and while they did change some game mechanics and such, I still look at it and go "FF has never really changed." The plots are always about crystals, and summons, and Bahamut, and a magical girl, and a teenage boy with a sword, and an experienced older man, and a half-crazy villain with ridiculous hair, and a world of magically powered technology, and so on and so forth. Some may have taken the magic-tech further than others, but it still feels the same. I just don't get tired of it.

I'm hyped for Last Story. I'm looking at it as the FINAL Fantasy, only he couldn't call it that because Sakaguchi isn't with Square-Enix anymore.

EDIT: But back on topic, bandwagoners really don't bother me. Not with Resident Evil, not with Castlevania, and only with FF7 because the fanboys are twats. I think Castlevania could use some new fans, and whether they sit there going "Lords of Shadow is the best gaem evar!" or "Hmm, this is good, let's try the older Castlevanias" I could care less.

[X]

I don't think you can ever reboot FF cause it's always a new story with different characters, minus all the Cids and Moogles n' stuff. Of course the moogles didn't show up till FF5 for the first time and Cid didn't make his appearence until FF2 japan. And Biggs and wedge we're introduced in FF6 (I believe think they were put in there due to the success of Starwars). I myself will never be a bandwagon jumper cause that's just plain wrong with me. I will however, get LoS when it comes out.

-X

[GummiCandyful]

Yeah, I really hate those FF fanboys who think VII started it all. The first FF I played was Tactics, and I actually find it a lot better then VII, in terms of plot and characters. Then I played IV, X, XII, Crisis Core, and XIII, which are also pretty good. Crisis Core, despite it being one of the many games in the FF VII Compilation, was really worth playing (and making), because unlike the silly sequel titles, it told the the story of Zack Fair extremely well, not to mention, it made me even cry at the end, plus the new characters had more personality than Cloud and Sephiroth put together.

As for Castlevania, I really don't care if people bandwagon on LoS, as long as they don't act like the 1997 fanboys who think SoTN is where it all started and refuse to play the older games, because like what RegalX7 said-CV before that sucked. Resident Evil, however, I don't really mind people bandwagoning, even though 5 was a huge disappointment compared to 4, which was awesome (3 is still my favorite, though).

[REmaster]

I don't think you can ever reboot FF cause it's always a new story with different characters, minus all the Cids and Moogles n' stuff. Of course the moogles didn't show up till FF5 for the first time and Cid didn't make his appearence until FF2 japan. And Biggs and wedge we're introduced in FF6 (I believe think they were put in there due to the success of Starwars). I myself will never be a bandwagon jumper cause that's just plain wrong with me. I will however, get LoS when it comes out.

-X

Yea same here, whenever a new game comes out in a series I never followed, I have to play all the previous games before the latest one. Otherwise, I just feel like it's watching a movie halfway through, even if it's a reboot. I will also get LOS, even the collector's edition, just because I've been waiting a very long time for another CV game on a home console. Also, a man named Sir Patrick Stewart persuaded me.

[Kale]

First FF I played was 6, then 7, then 8 then tactics. But I like Tactics, 8, 6 then 7... I still this 7 has a crap story, but the materia/combat system was pretty awesome.

I myself find it hard to get into the older FFs myself. But I know lots of other people enjoy 4 ALOT. Which is fine... but the ones I'm thinking of are the ones who pretty much refuse to try the other games, and jus go on about how awesome 7 was.... like it started the jRPG Genre or FF Series. While I don't think ignorance is a horrible excuse, it's hard to be ignorant of the other games considering how much FF exposure everywhere.

Now, to tie it up with LoS, I'm just hoping people don't jump in and go OMG, LoS is what Castlevania really is! blah blah blah, the older ones are just metroid remakes or something incredibly stupid like that.

[atebit80]

I started with Castlevania I and FF I, both those games were the reason I continued with their respective series for the most part.  As far as FF goes, VII  was the last one I really played, and I loved it. But the series did start changing after that. The characters got a lot deeper, and that turned me off because I simply didnt care for them. It was becoming too much of a japanese love story to me. Understand that growing up, a lot of what drew us to the games was the artwork in magazines and the games had a different feel. Seeing these characters finally come to life, getting their own image on the PSX was cool but I didnt like what they became. The old games you had these warriors, the new games you have these supermodel metrosexuals. No thanks! But the kids loved it and the series never really looked back.

Castlevania really went the same way for me. Up to CV IV, it was getting better each time. CV64 was ok at the time but it helped me realize 2D was what I liked for the series. Then SotN came out, and much like FFVII, it was amazing. But then the anime style took over, and for me the series went to shit. Every game was a metroidvania, I didnt care for the characters, just wasnt drawn to them. looking at the cover art, I thought the heros were Dracula, they were pale, looked like vampires. But they kept coming out, and im sure the kids didnt care for the old school games. DXC was the last CV I really enjoyed, I couldnt put it down. Lords of Shadow is gonna change everything again, I hope for the better. Only thing im worried about is how much of a Castlevania game it will really be

[Harrycombs]

Of course the moogles didn't show up till FF5

FF3 was their first appearance, not FF5.

On topic, I don't think the FF7 Bandwagoners are as annoying as the people that always make every conversation about the game a FF6 VS FF7 debate. Its like people think you can't like both.

As far as new CV fans not liking classic titles, I used to be like that too. I never cared for platformers such a sonic, megaman, or the old Castlevanias, but after loving the metroidvanias I went back and tried the 2D classics with a more open mind, and found that I loved the old style even better. So perhaps Lords of Shadow might help people discover the older games like Dawn did for me.

[X]

FF3 was their first appearance, not FF5.

FF3 US is actually FF6 japan. When the games we ported over to the west, several games we cut from the series. Here's a list:

FF1 US. FF1 Japan

FF2 (didn't import) FF2 Japan

FF3 (didn't import) FF3 Japan

FF4 (Became FF2 US) FF4 Japan

FF5 (Didn't import) FF5 Japan

FF6 (Became FF3 US) FF6 Japan

Then once FF7 came out they decided to stick with the proper numaricals from then-on. And later, Square-Enix would give us all the old FF titles in their proper numarical orders.

-X 

[RegalX7]

But Final Fantasy 3 (Japanese version) is the first game with moogles. They're in Dorga's house (I think they call him Doga in the DS version, but I never played that version, so I'm not sure... Same thing, basically, anyway). He wasn't referring to Final Fantasy 6.

[DragonSlayr81]

Yes. Besides, we are SOOOOO past the whole "FFIV jp= FF2 US/FFVI jp= FF3 USA". I mean, come on. They've released ALL the FF games, under their REAL numbers since FF Chronicles and FF Anthology(of the PS1). Since then, every game has been numbered accordingly and that numbering's been well known to all. There's no point bringing up the whole SNES differences because of that. We DID get FFIII, for the DS, and it's a remake of the ORIGINAL Famicon FFIII.

[Aridale]

I wish theyd remake FF6 for DS like they did FF4

[Kale]

I wish theyd remake FF6 for DS like they did FF4

I wish they didn't... I wish they'd do a real big job on it. Like how the FF7 tech demo looked.

[DragonSlayr81]

I wish they didn't... I wish they'd do a real big job on it. Like how the FF7 tech demo looked.

Square made a note that if the 3DS does good, they are going to remake FFV and FFVI for that. From what we've seen, 3DS looks to be as powerful as PSP, or might even push itself past that(early 3DS footage seems to be up to par with late-PSP game footage). So, we might get a FFV and FFVI that has graphics better than Dissidia, Crisis Core, Agito and 3rd Birthday, and in 3D!!!

Though yeah, if I could have my way, I'd MAKE Square do the FFVI remake on PS3. Though, considering they keep on complaining would take 20 years just to make FFVII as a full sized game with Crystal Tools, it's probably hopeless to want a FFVI remake(which unlike FFVII, basically has TWO world maps to render in highly detailed 3D). Though, if there's any silver lining, Kitase basically said they are getting the feel of programming with Crystal Tools, and that because of that, FFXV's development time might be considerably SHORTER than FFXIII's(and Versus).

[Aridale]

if they wanted to do they could do it thats for sure... I dunno why they dont wanna do anythin with 6. Ppl with common sense all say that 6 is the best FF yet but its like Squares afraid of it. They just keep goin back to 7 or makin new shit no one wants to play or remakin the first 5 games over and over