Topic: My Return and another LoS topic.

[crisis]

so uh


WHY didn't Satan have a badass 2nd form?! MercurySteam really dropped the ball on that one -_-

[thernz]

That would've been cool. Maybe the use of one form was to emphasize how no-frills Satan was. This is also cemented by his design of just being a nude man. Simple, yet imposing with his long and lush black hair and mysterious fog. Well, I think that was their intent anyway. A sort of minimalism to enforce strength rather than exaggerate like when how Cornell and Carmilla transformed.

[Kingshango]

I guess Mercurysteam didn't want to use the tired old ugly devil horned creature with a huge third leg design, so they went with the nude fallen angel look instead.

Though it would have been nice if MS gave Satan the ugly devil horned creature design as a second form.(minus the huge third leg)

[SIRHardle]

Ok. I’ll tell you guys why LOI has an, overall, more coherent plot exposition. I may have expressed myself badly with the term presentation as people tend to associate that with visual appeal more so. All it takes is basically follow the story of LOI itself and check how concise it is compared to what LOS presents to the player. You can follow the story here: Castlevania : LoI Story "Prologue" 1/7

Leon and Mathias are masters on what they do best. Mathias’ learned nature is his gift as well as Leon’s combat prowess and leadership.  Both were undefeated over the past of the crusades and after Mathias’ return to find his wife dead and gets bedridden. Leon’s maintains his company undefeated even after being alone.Then Leon’s land gets attacked by the mysterious creatures and the church denies. Leon then abandons his title, becomes a commoner, and doesn’t even take his weapon as that belonged to his company. He opts to go alone and unarmed with hopes to scavenger weapons on site (Snake style). That already tells us so much about his character.

He mets Rinaldo (who’s also properly presented but someone already mentioned that) and then discovers that he’s on a game made by a bored vampire who likes to toy with humans, and Leon was unfortunate enough to be selected as the new player. Walter may be stale but he has motivation too, he’s basically a bored gambler with too much money, that’s such a good characteristic to play with rather than evil just cuz the plot wants too. It’s different and it’s understandable. Leon holds nothing special to Walter, if it weren’t him it would be anyone else. And in the end Walter is just another pawn, not a mastermind/pawn.

Leon trusts Rinaldo after hearing his motivation, and gives his respect after hearing his connection with Mathias. We learn about Mathias connection with occult arts over the course of the game. And also about the whip’s story and significance, the Ebony and Crismon stone’s are properly introduced as possible plot devices and Rinaldo’s tragic past which adds to Leon’s motivation. From this moment he knows it’s about more than just him.
Lines like “Rinaldo you’ve helped me so much, the least I could do is listen to your story and support  you in your suffering.” Do a lot to tell the player what kind of man is Leon and how ready he might be to do what he has to do later. Sarah’s sacrifice is much more worthwhile to the plot, it changes Leon, it hurts Leon and he’s aware of why he did it.

Then we got the ending, were everything comes together, Mathias presence in the game is foreshadowed properly at least 4 times in the narrative. He shows up with his own motivation, his plan finished and done. Leon refuses his proposal which for Mathias comes as a shock for he thought Leon would understand after such a long invincible friendship. Mathias moves on to live a new life as a vampire and an enemy of God.
This is getting too big and I’ll conclude it later. 

lol wut?
Fanboy reasoning, with as much sense as Inception in LSD.

lol wut?
I don't remember the Dungeon being like this... o_O

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Hey SIRHardle.
A late welcome to the Forums.

Please do not take one person's opinion of the forum populace as the truth, but rather as a statement with a grain of salt.

[Munchy]

What I'm curious to have explained is how the Vampire Killer goes from being a regular magic whip to a chain magic whip.

[Ahasverus]

What I'm curious to have explained is how the Vampire Killer goes from being a regular magic whip to a chain magic whip.

It seems that the important think of the VK is the "hang" (The cross) and not the chain itself, Rinaldo created various chains and add-ons however the cross's origins are mysterious and untraceable.

[thernz]

Wasn't the Combat Cross always made with chain though and not regular/leather? I think he's referring to the whip of the original canon. I don't think it's really been addressed, it seems to just change for aesthetic. It works better as a chain in 2D because of how it's formed in segmented parts, at least when it can it be dangled and etc, then in the 3D games, it's leather. I don't think there's really a uniform appearance for it in the series. It just jumps around randomly back and forth.

[X]

What I'm curious to have explained is how the Vampire Killer goes from being a regular magic whip to a chain magic whip.


This is more of those classic videogame gimmicks rather then an actual story explaination for the whip tranformation IMO. Many other games out there have these little quirks to help define them in some form or another.

-X

[Nagumo]

What I'm curious to have explained is how the Vampire Killer goes from being a regular magic whip to a chain magic whip.

You could always imagine that the different appearances are different forms that the whip takes as it grows stronger for whatever reason (i. e power-ups). Richter and Julius are probably so strong, the whip is always in its most powerful form when they use it.

because they have huge amounts of belmont warlord chromosomes, lol 

[Valtiel]

You could always imagine that the different appearances are different forms that the whip takes as it grows stronger for whatever reason (i. e power-ups). Richter and Julius are probably so strong, the whip is always in its most powerful form when they use it.

because they have huge amounts of belmont warlord chromosomes, lol 

Or simply the weapon could shape itself in the form more fitting for the wielder.

Most Belmont characters are lean, agile fighters, facing off colossal monsters of incredible strength. A whip is a weapon that isn't really based on physical strength (it's much less strenght reliant than a sword, for example) and allow you to hit the enemy for distance.

"Stronger" Belmonts (Simon, Gabriel etc) used the heavier flail form.

Say that one day Alucard can for some bs reason wield the VK... it could become a sword. Heck, originally the idea of the Holy Cross was exactly that: the hilt was the weapon, and the "chain" could stay a whip, or become a sword, or a spear etc.

[Dominus]

Though it would have been nice if MS gave Satan the ugly devil horned creature design as a second form.(minus the huge third leg)

I have readed that in many place and I still dont have any idea from where it comes from

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

He has that look in Dante's Inferno.  It would've been kinda ripoff-ish.