Topic: Anyone thinks that LOS has a better origin story than LOI?(plz use spoiler tags)

[darkwzrd4]

I too, can't say either way yet, because LoS's Dracula origin isn't fully explained yet.  Both games were good, but LoS has  better execution and graphics.  Plus, it has a darker nature.  In LoI, the hero (Leon) is a pure-hearted, in-corruptable knight trying to rescue his love.  LoS on the other hand, the hero (Gabriel) is on a quest to save the world and is told that he may be able to bring back is dead wife.  Also, unlike Leon, Gabriel's personally it changes as he gets farther in the quest.  I mean each QTE at the end of boss fights he becomes increasingly brutal.  It's as if the more demons he fights, the more like them he becomes.

[whitedragon_nall]

I didn't really feel that way about Gabriel's personality. IMO...Zobek's narrations about Gabriel diving into madness and going insane were never realized. Sure...he may have been more brutal, but being crazier in combat and crazier in mind are two very different things. By the end of the game (before the credits), I felt like he was the same guy.....just more sad.

[Dremn]

Lament's was kinda boring but it worked. LoS's was poorly written but far more interesting that I want to see where the story is going. However, we have yet to see how Dracula ties into the new timeline at all.

[A-Yty]

From the spoilers I've seen, I think I prefer LoI's. Even thought it has the oh-so-overused best friend betrayal, I felt that the former friendship between a Belmont and the man who would become Dracula was interesting. Could have been a hell of a lot more interesting, but as an origin story it was still decent.

[GuyStarwind]

I was thinking of writing a big long list explaining reasons but chose not to. So, I'll make it simple. I think LoI has the better origins story.

[DragonsAndCarpetBags]

I loved LoS, but the EPICNESS of the whole thing just turns me off

E...P...I...C..... I tell ya, it's all 300's fault. Not to shame the movie.

[Hanniballistic]

E...P...I...C..... I tell ya, it's all 300's fault. Not to shame the movie.

Shame it all you want, it was a horrible movie!  Not to de-rail the topic, but I just want to throw it out there that Frank Miller is grossly overrated.  Love his art, but his writing is terrible.

[Evil_Tim]

LoS has the key advantage that the story is usually at least hanging around near the action, LoI has whole stretches where absolutely nothing is happening in terms of story.

"Hey there, Leon. Walter has stolen your shit and you need this whip and alchemy and alchemy and alchemy and also this box of exposition. If you want to free your friends, solve his House of Sacred Remains!"

<walking and pushing of organ stops ensues as Leon ponders what on Earth a vampire has a House of Sacred Remains for anyway>

"So hi there I'm that one boss from R-Type."

"Hey there, do you have something to do with the actual story?"

"Naw, I'm just chilling in this room that has nothing to do with the theme of the rest of the level and doesn't look like it either."

"Oh."

Zobek's narration is kind of handy for finding out what This Place has to do with That Place You Were Just At and what you're actually doing there, even if it does sound like he's lusting after Gabriel half the time ("he doesn't see me following him...Yes, Gabriel, DO your ab crunches!"). Aside from all the eco-nonsense (yes, man is encroaching the hell out of nature, it's only 800 years until the Industrial Revolution after all) and the rather pointless addition of the Ancient And Powerful Race That Has No Real Bearing On Anything, it all hangs together rather well.

As for the origin story, LoS is kind of a no-show on that, it pulls the Daredevil trick of showing you the character's origin minus the part where they actually got all their stuff; in this case, minus even the part where he actually becomes a vampire. So LoI more or less wins by default through actually having one, even though it's not a good one; seriously, Mathias would go from best friend to ruining Leon's life on purpose that fast?

[A-Yty]

Mathias became a vampire when he stole Walter's soul with the stone. And he cooked up his crazy plan for at least a year. I think it's unclear if Sara's death was part of his plan but he certainly didn't give a shit.

[Evil_Tim]

Mathias became a vampire when he stole Walter's soul with the stone.

Yeah, I mean we never see how LoS' Dracula is supposed to have become a vampire, that's why LoI has one up on LoS when it comes to origin story, on the basis it actually has one.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

"he doesn't see me following him...Yes, Gabriel, DO your ab crunches!"

I Lawl'd. xD

[PFG9000]

Because the idea was to depart from the source material in a new direction.

No, the idea was to reboot the series.  If you reboot a series and ignore the source material except for reusing a handful of names for entirely different characters, you no longer have the same series.  So whatever LoS is an origin story of, it sure as hell isn't Castlevania.

[A-Yty]

It still brings us to the question of what makes Castlevania?

There is no whip. There is a chain attached to a cross and it's not Vampire Killer.
There is namedropping.
There is no candles (?)
No familiar boss battles (?).
No Stoker-inspired gothic athmosphere.
No CVish music.
There is a castle.
There is no Death (?)

etc.

And I swear to God, I remember reading in this particular forum that someone said they would even be willing to get rid of the name "Castlevania". Castlevania without Castlevania. Let that sink in for a moment.

If there is a majority of long-time CV fans who say this isn't very much like Castlevania, isn't that enough? Overall it seems that those who accept this as being truly Castlevania, accept the ideal of riding its fame while doing a new thing and acknowledging it forgot its roots. I mean, I'm not particularly sure what the majority thinks but so it seems at least.

[darkwzrd4]

It still brings us to the question of what makes Castlevania?

There is no whip. There is a chain attached to a cross and it's not Vampire Killer.
There is namedropping.
There is no candles (?)
No familiar boss battles (?).
No Stoker-inspired gothic athmosphere.
No CVish music.
There is a castle.
There is no Death (?)

etc.

And I swear to God, I remember reading in this particular forum that someone said they would even be willing to get rid of the name "Castlevania". Castlevania without Castlevania. Let that sink in for a moment.

If there is a majority of long-time CV fans who say this isn't very much like Castlevania, isn't that enough? Overall it seems that those who accept this as being truly Castlevania, accept the ideal of riding its fame while doing a new thing and acknowledging it forgot its roots. I mean, I'm not particularly sure what the majority thinks but so it seems at least.

This is why I think LoS should not have the CV label and be its own separate series while CV stays CV and continues the storyline as it was before LoS came out.

[A-Yty]

And it's why I still think it originally was like that.