Topic: Mega Man Topic

[K.G. Morder]

the fact that Bass (Forte) was a prototype to Zero himself.

Bass is not a prototype at all. Wily was trying to create a Robot similar to Rock when he accidentally discovered Bassnium. Bassnium proved to be the most powerful energy in existence, and so he finished the robot, naming him after the energy he runs on.

(Bass-Bassnium Forte-Fortenium)

Bass however was so vain and proud that he often times went against Wily simply to prove his strength. And given who his daddy is, its no surprise he holds little respect for the man. So eventually, Wily conceptualized Zero. the ultimate robot who would allow him to not only take over the world, but put an end to both Bass and Rock.

However, Zero proved to be uncontrollably violent due to a flaw in his cognitive program. So Wily sealed him away, and Zero was never used for his original purpose. In fact, he was re-purposed to destroy X in the future instead. Wily then created the virus, one of it's main functions to control and pacify the violent Zero. It was placed in his capsule with him, buuut as fate would have it, Sigma intervened, and their fight changed both their destinies. Zero, having had his armor breached in the fight, was infected with the virus, but the process was interrupted by Sigma delivering a punch to Zero's head. Thus Zero was left with his normal "Hunter" persona, while Sigma succumbed to the virus, became evil and merged with it.

[Inccubus]

I would actually assume the opposite. It is a korean exclusive, with no word on whether Japan will ever get it, and with a pretty solid assumption that if Japan isnt getting it, the US never will either. It would be odd to make a canon material that is exclusive to a completely random country, more specifically, not the country of the property's origin.

If it gets a Japan release, then we can start talking canon with this game.

Although either way, the fact that it splits into it's own timeline means it doesnt really even HAVE to be considered canon or not, since it doesnt contradict with anything. Im certain that as more info on the game surfaces, we'll eventually get our answer.

Since when does the region a work is released in matter in terms of canon? By this logic Rockman & Forte wasn't canon until it was released in the US. That just doesn't make any sense. A work isn't excluded from canon just because it wasn't released in your region.
Also, there hasn't been any confirmation that MMOnline splits into a different timeline AFAIK.

Not even R20/Mega Man Official Complete works recognizes them. It recognizes however, 1-8, the arcade games, the Gameboy/GBA games, the wonderswan game, and soccer. (and Im certain theres 1 or two more.)

It's not that they aren't recognized, they aren't mentioned at all. Not being mentioned in a resource book is not grounds for exclusion from canon. Until CAPCOM says they're not canon there's no logical reason to exclude them unless you want a separate canon for each region and there's no indication that CAPCOM intends this.

[K.G. Morder]

Since when does the region a work is released in matter in terms of canon? By this logic Rockman & Forte wasn't canon until it was released in the US. That just doesn't make any sense. A work isn't excluded from canon just because it wasn't released in your region.

When the country of origin isnt getting it, and coupled with the fact that it is an outsourced game that splits from the conventional path of the timeline, and does the crazy shit RO does, until further word on it, it is assumed not canon to the games and their timeline. But like I said, since it branches off into it's own branch, its irrelevant either way.

Also, there hasn't been any confirmation that MMOnline splits into a different timeline AFAIK.

it is specifically stated to take place centuries after X and Zero are dead, in this odd Military/research station thing called "Gaia" which the trailers show us, is this large spherical structure in space connected via what may or may not be an orbital elevator- to the earth.

The Maverick threat also has dissaeared, so when one day mavericks based on reploids (and robots) from the past appear, they make clones of the good guys to deal with it. going so far as to embet their DNA within them to make them authentic as they can. (how they got Duo's DNA is anyone's guess)

Which means it is long after the X series, and yet it only encompasses Classic and X series characters. That, and Cinnamon has visions of "Neo Arcadia". Which would already suggest that it is a parallel timeline where the X series instead lead to Online, and Cinnamon is having visions of the other timeline.

And there is absolutely nowhere to place it in the current timeline where it would make sense.

there is only 1 century from X to Zero, and 200 from Zero to ZX. 200 years in which reploids have peacefully coexisted with Humans due to the laws of equality passed by the Sage trinity. (and after Neo Arcadia was nuked from orbit by Kraft)

The designs also correspond to the Classic and X series designs. No Zero and on designs involved.

It's not that they aren't recognized, they aren't mentioned at all. Not being mentioned in a resource book is not grounds for exclusion from canon. Until CAPCOM says they're not canon there's no logical reason to exclude them unless you want a separate canon for each region and there's no indication that CAPCOM intends this.

Capcom has other things to do other than hold press conferences over "this is canon, that isnt". Its up to us fans to use common sense and logic to figure that out. Not everything with the name Mega Man is canon to the games and their timeline.

Why is it we do not consider the Brazilian Mega Man comics canon then? by that logic, since they are licensed by Capcom, they should be. Just like those 2 games.

[Inccubus]

When the country of origin isnt getting it, and coupled with the fact that it is an outsourced game that splits from the conventional path of the timeline, and does the crazy shit RO does, until further word on it, it is assumed not canon to the games and their timeline. But like I said, since it branches off into it's own branch, its irrelevant either way.

Until CAPCOM says it's not canon there's no reason to assume it isn't. Everything else is just conjecture.

it is specifically stated to take place centuries after X and Zero are dead, in this odd Military/research station thing called "Gaia" which the trailers show us, is this large spherical structure in space connected via what may or may not be an orbital elevator- to the earth.

The Maverick threat also has dissaeared, so when one day mavericks based on reploids (and robots) from the past appear, they make clones of the good guys to deal with it. going so far as to embet their DNA within them to make them authentic as they can. (how they got Duo's DNA is anyone's guess)

This suggests it would be placed after ZX, but before Legends.

Which means it is long after the X series, and yet it only encompasses Classic and X series characters. ... The designs also correspond to the Classic and X series designs. No Zero and on designs involved.

The fact it only uses those characters is irrelevant. They decided to go 'retro' or that's the only data they had, there are plenty of ways to explain it in the story without cementing a place in the time-line.

Incidentally, ZX Advent is a great example of a game that completely contradicts the previous game. That story was a huge nonsensical mess from start to finish.

That, and Cinnamon has visions of "Neo Arcadia". Which would already suggest that it is a parallel timeline where the X series instead lead to Online, and Cinnamon is having visions of the other timeline.

Visions can be of the past, we don't know the relevance of the visions yet so you can't take them as evidence. What if they work it so that the visions of Neo Arcadia are a warning of past evil re-emerging?

And there is absolutely nowhere to place it in the current timeline where it would make sense.

there is only 1 century from X to Zero, and 200 from Zero to ZX. 200 years in which reploids have peacefully coexisted with Humans due to the laws of equality passed by the Sage trinity. (and after Neo Arcadia was nuked from orbit by Kraft)

As the story tellers they can wedge it in anywhere they see fit. As I've said, CAPCOM isn't that big into continuity.
Knowing them, though, they probably will only hint at the placement of the game's story whether in the main time-line or not.

Capcom has other things to do other than hold press conferences over "this is canon, that isnt". Its up to us fans to use common sense and logic to figure that out. Not everything with the name Mega Man is canon to the games and their timeline.

Why is it we do not consider the Brazilian Mega Man comics canon then? by that logic, since they are licensed by Capcom, they should be. Just like those 2 games.

If CAPCOM cared about their canon & continuity it would cost nothing to mention it in a press conference, or print an official time-line at E3 or a like event or in a resource book. Also, it isn't up to us to decide what is or isn't canon, that's up to the creator of the work. When the creator is silent on the matter of canon we can conjecture all we want on the subject, but in the end whatever they say is the final word on it not our consensus or personal preferences.

That is my logic! The status of the Brazilian comics is canon as far as I'm concerned because CAPCOM hasn't struck it from canon contradictions or not. How is it logical to assume that a company would spend the time, money and resources to license a product and then assume it isn't part of their official body of work? CAPCOM has never said that licensed products are not canon and they have struck works from canon (MM1&3 pc games) when they have been dissatisfied with the quality of those works. Part of the success of a company is their reputation and I seriously doubt CAPCOM would risk their reputation by flippantly licensing their franchises and simply assuming everyone would disregard them as not being canon and thus irrelevant. And if that is their stand then it is a very foolish one.

[K.G. Morder]

yeah im done with this argument. You are being obtuse about the matter and no matter what i say you will refute it.

You nonsensically say Capcom's continuity being a Mess when it really isnt,


Im not good at these kinds of arguments and dont remember facts and discussion points as well as Zan or Hypershell do, so I'll go no further. You have beaten me good sir. You may take my special weapon. *explodes in tiny little Mega Man bubbles*

but humor me, why exactly doesnt ZX Advent make sense? Makes perfect sense to me.

[crisis]

this thread made me lol, and certainly brings back memories of when I was an active member of the MegaMan Community back in the late 90's/early 2000's (when MMN used to be MMOutpost i think. damn i'm old x_x). Debates like these used to flare up all the time, before everything got all complicated. Kinda.

Zantetsu is probably one of the most knowledgable MM fans I've encountered, he's been around for a while. I recently beat Advent & to be honest I can't really even remember the story. Something about "The Ultimate Rockman," yadda yadda.. wasn't really too exciting IMO. I guess I was too accustomed to the post-apocalyptic setting of the MMX/MMZ series.

but Master Thomas turns out to be a bad guy in the end, so I don't see why Capcom wouldn't want to make a ZX3 (it's already been 4 years since ZXA was released! )

[K.G. Morder]

Zantetsu? Are we talking bout' the same Zan here? He went by Zan Sidera for a while, but after RPM crashed and was reset, he just shortened it to Zan.

If so, wholeheartedly agree. People call him a Megaman guru for a reason.

MMN is still around. After it merged with Atomic Fire, it became real better and is one of the best Megaman sites now.

Also, lol, On places like RPM, MMN, and X9.com, discssions like that are still there aplenty. Some interesting, others stupid, but all of them a huge time consumer to post in. XD

[Joachim]

That is my logic!

and it's gooey alien logic. its inclusive for the sake of being inclusive, without much concern for why that is a problem. if a title isn't mentioned or referenced -within the context of storyline- in one of the official source books, of which there are many, then there really isn't much of a point in considering it canon. The issue is more obvious when the title contradicts titles that are known to be canon.

Zantetsu? Are we talking bout' the same Zan here? He went by Zan Sidera for a while, but after RPM crashed and was reset, he just shortened it to Zan.

I would imagine so. He's been around all over the place.

[Inccubus]

yeah im done with this argument. You are being obtuse about the matter and no matter what i say you will refute it.

You nonsensically say Capcom's continuity being a Mess when it really isnt,


Im not good at these kinds of arguments and dont remember facts and discussion points as well as Zan or Hypershell do, so I'll go no further. You have beaten me good sir. You may take my special weapon. *explodes in tiny little Mega Man bubbles*

but humor me, why exactly doesnt ZX Advent make sense? Makes perfect sense to me.

*puts on Knightman helmet*
LOL! You have left me with just a single sliver of my health meter, sir. In fact I came to check on this thread to say that we should just agree to disagree. As I sit ans absorb your Mega Man bubbles... *absorb* *absorb* ...I am left battered and exhausted. Huzzah!!

To humor you, I think the problem I had with ZXA was the part where Albert (or was it Thomas) says he made the bio-metals. I'm pretty sure it was established that Ciel made them. Plus the whole ultimate mega man angle was boring and cliche.

and it's gooey alien logic. ...

*Get equipped with Jack Sparrow voice!*
"You smell funny!"

[K.G. Morder]

the problem I had with ZXA was the part where Albert (or was it Thomas) says he made the bio-metals. I'm pretty sure it was established that Ciel made them. Plus the whole ultimate mega man angle was boring and cliche.

He never said he made them. he made Model A and created the R.O.C.K. system, which he applied to the remains of Ragnarok, which held Weil's soul within them. Ciel then based her 6 biometals on that R.O.C.K. system. but she could not remove their limitation which required a chosen one to weild them.

*Get equipped with Jack Sparrow voice!*
"You smell funny!"

To be honest, your logic is no better than Gonzo's on RPM, who vehemently argued over having two continuities, a Japanese and US one.

[Inccubus]

 :)

[K.G. Morder]

So, anyone interested in that new Fanart book that publisher Udon is making?

In other news- The Gigamix Mangas by Hitoshi Ariga have been confirmed for an English release.

[Inccubus]

I'm actually looking forward to the fanart book very much.
Interpretations of established characters are always fun and interesting.

[cecil-kain]

Screw continuity.  I mean really --let's talk about the new games that are coming.  I'm looking forward to Megaman Universe, so I can get back into designing some more Megaman Stages.  I had blast with Megaman Powered Up and I can hardly wait to see what this new stage -builder has to offer

[darkjak951]

Screw continuity.  I mean really --let's talk about the new games that are coming.  I'm looking forward to Megaman Universe, so I can get back into designing some more Megaman Stages.  I had blast with Megaman Powered Up and I can hardly wait to see what this new stage -builder has to offer

I am looking forward to it too though I hope its a little more than JUST megaman 2. It would be neat if you could use other robot masters from the other games in the series, that would be pretty sweet. Anyway, I am also looking forward to Megaman Legends 3 which is one of the primary reasons I want a 3DS.