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Re: Why the Morris Family? A Look at the Original Dracula Novel
« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2011, 11:32:19 AM »
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Let's debunk the whole "This game series ties in with the novel, so continuity is a must" line of thinking. I have one word for you all:

Franken a.k.a. The Creature

He appeared in Dracula's Curse and Vampire Killer and (Super Castlevania 4). Both games took place prior to the 18th century. Frankenstein did not create Adam (the creature's real name) until the end of the 18th century. Did Dracula travel to the future to bring Frankenstein's creation back into the past to guard his castle?

Although if they wanted to really stick to the novels, they should move Castlevania to Austria, which was where "Carmilla" took place.
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Re: Why the Morris Family? A Look at the Original Dracula Novel
« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2011, 11:43:26 AM »
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Doesn't quite work, since the Creature is no different than having Dracula dipping around Romania centuries earlier, as well.  Mentioning Quincy and the events of the novel is pretty specific, like if a Castlevania game mentioned the murder of Victor Frnakenstein's wife.  Do the games bring up minor characters from the Frankenstein novel and tie them into the games, like with Dracula?

Look, if one of the games had, as its plot, "Dracula worked as a CLown in Munich," then that would be canon to the game, no matter how silly it sounded.  Just because they halfassed the novel connection doesn't mean it's not there.
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Re: Why the Morris Family? A Look at the Original Dracula Novel
« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2011, 12:34:37 PM »
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Maybe we should try to throw the Bram Stoker's Dracula video game (based on the film) into the timeline instead of the book. Then again, Quincey isn't even in the game. The game is so obviously inspired from Castlevania though. Konami should just go and make a game based on the book and actually make it fit into the Castlevania timeline.

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Re: Why the Morris Family? A Look at the Original Dracula Novel
« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2011, 12:38:41 PM »
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Putting the book in the timeline also doesn't work because it takes place in the wrong year. The dating is actually seven years off.   
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Re: Why the Morris Family? A Look at the Original Dracula Novel
« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2011, 12:41:04 PM »
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Eh, that's nothing.  Leon was a Crusades veteran before the first Crusade!


...I kind of love how Castlevania rapes history.

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Re: Why the Morris Family? A Look at the Original Dracula Novel
« Reply #50 on: April 10, 2011, 12:44:40 PM »
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Eh, that's nothing.  Leon was a Crusades veteran before the first Crusade!

Seriously?!? Jesus IGA you really suck at this whole continuity thing! I would never have guessed! Good call there Ridureyu  :D

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Re: Why the Morris Family? A Look at the Original Dracula Novel
« Reply #51 on: April 10, 2011, 12:46:53 PM »
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Eh, that's nothing.  Leon was a Crusades veteran before the first Crusade!

Yes, so what?  

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Re: Why the Morris Family? A Look at the Original Dracula Novel
« Reply #52 on: April 10, 2011, 01:04:39 PM »
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Yes, so what?  
So what what? It's utterly funny ;D

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Re: Why the Morris Family? A Look at the Original Dracula Novel
« Reply #53 on: April 10, 2011, 01:13:02 PM »
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Leon had his little adventure in Walter's bungalow in 1094.  The first Crusade was declared in... 1095.

But it's STILL not as bad as the Dante's Inferno game!  How do you blame somebody for the third Crusade when he was born seventy years after it ended?

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Re: Why the Morris Family? A Look at the Original Dracula Novel
« Reply #54 on: April 10, 2011, 01:17:19 PM »
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Since when does condradicting with history excuse having no internal consistency in a fictional chronology? What has that to do with anything?   

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Re: Why the Morris Family? A Look at the Original Dracula Novel
« Reply #55 on: April 10, 2011, 01:19:22 PM »
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I was just pointing out how tenuous Castlevania's grasp of continuity even is, really.  They want to add the novel? Sure, even if it doesn't fit.  Having the Creature hundreds of years early is just par for the course in this series.  It's honestly kind of awesome in that way.

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Re: Why the Morris Family? A Look at the Original Dracula Novel
« Reply #56 on: April 10, 2011, 01:19:46 PM »
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Since when does condradicting with history excuse having no internal consistency in a fictional chronology? What has that to do with anything?  
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Re: Why the Morris Family? A Look at the Original Dracula Novel
« Reply #57 on: April 10, 2011, 01:26:38 PM »
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I was just pointing out how tenuous Castlevania's grasp of continuity even is, really.  They want to add the novel? Sure, even if it doesn't fit.  Having the Creature hundreds of years early is just par for the course in this series.  It's honestly kind of awesome in that way.

Castlevania has a perfectly fine grasp at continuity. And just because the series is based on real life history doesn't mean it has to follow it in perfect detail nor does it mean continuity should be thrown out of the window because of a minor discrepancy. Then what would even be the point of having a canon?       

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Re: Why the Morris Family? A Look at the Original Dracula Novel
« Reply #58 on: April 10, 2011, 01:29:47 PM »
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Castlevania even fails on internal consistency.  Probably  the big reason for all that flip-flopping over Circle of the Moon is because the 19th century already has Dracula coming back something like every year.

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Re: Why the Morris Family? A Look at the Original Dracula Novel
« Reply #59 on: April 10, 2011, 01:31:11 PM »
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Castlevania has a perfectly fine grasp at continuity. And just because the series is based on real life history doesn't mean it has to follow it in perfect detail nor does it mean continuity should be thrown out of the window because of a minor discrepancy. Then what would even be the point of having a canon?        

Then why would putting the book in the timeline not work simply because it's 7 years off? Is it only history that CV can be loose with and not fiction as well???
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