Topic: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter

[Nagumo]

That bit about invading countries can only be found in the localized story. The Curse of Darkness manga says Dracula's influence was limited to a regional level, and the Church was attempting to contain the situation by making sure monsters didn't move outside of the region. Trevor was their last hope, otherwise it would have been game over for the world.       

[Flame]

Likewise, Mathias owned one of the most powerful demons of the underworld (Galamoth), and has effectively took dominion over many ancient God-like demons (Pazuzu for instance) that came centuries before him. Even Death itself realizes that Mathias/Dracula is top dog.

Thus, the canon Dracula has a way better track record when it comes to demons. He literally controls Chaos.

or is HE controlled by Chaos?

The argument has been made before, taking into consideration games like SoTN, that he may not be the one who controls the power of chaos, but that he himself is a being of chaos and is therefore bound to chaos. he is controlled by it, he doesnt control it. I SoTN, Dracula seemed pretty finished. he was defeated by Alucard again, and finally got to hear Lisa's last words,

He even quotes the bible, on what worth it is to a man, if he gains everything but loses his soul. he seemed soundly defeated. And yet, POP goes the Dracula for the subsequent parts of the timeline, until he is killed, and separated from chaos, his soul left to reincarnate as a human somehow a few years later. Note that upon defeating Graham, who had assumed ownership of the Castle, Soma is recognized as it's master and infused with the forces of chaos, reminding him of who and what he is, and nearly awakening him as Dracula, in the DoS alternate story, he DOES succumb to chaos, and becomes Dracula again, becoming evil all the way.

Im pretty sure that Dracula, having become a creature of chaos, is controlled by chaos. He doesnt have a choice in the matter of his resurrections, whenever the chaos and darkness in people's hearts is at it's strongest, he comes back to life.

To shoehorn a fanon explonation: maybe the constant dying and resurrecting has gradually robbed him of all of his personality and he doesn't even remember Lisa or Alucard anymore.

yeah while not robbed of his memories entirely, I do believe his mind is muddled and chaotic. Even if he admitted defeat and gave up, his next revival he would be back to his prime, ready to kill humanity regardless of whatever he said last life.

Actually, wasnt there some kind of official explanation regarding premature revivals messing with his mind?

[Dremn]

2 new pages and no new info or announcement anywhere.

I need to stop checking this place until E3.

[Sumac]

Even Death itself realizes that Mathias/Dracula is top dog.

And then CVJ give some hints that Reaper just using Dracula to further his own goals. So different from Gabriel...sure.
Besides, initially Mathias contorlled Reaper and other monsters by using Crimson Stone, not his own powers. Though this was later promptly forgotten because of the wonderfull storytelling skills of certain producer.

The argument has been made before, taking into consideration games like SoTN, that he may not be the one who controls the power of chaos, but that he himself is a being of chaos and is therefore bound to chaos.

Always thought that this idea about Chaos (possibly) fueling Dracula was bullshit.
Poor villain possibly was fueled by some unexplained power that was never mentioned before and never played big part in the series after that. Nice. 

Though this maybe something to do with the fact that I personally never considered that Chaos = Evil, Order = Good. Stupid concept really.

[crisis]

And then CVJ give some hints that Reaper just using Dracula to further his own goals.

Moot point

Besides, initially Mathias contorlled Reaper and other monsters by using Crimson Stone, not his own powers.

You're forgetting that Gabriel still has the Devil Mask. What if he uses it to gain power too? It's the same thing.

Always thought that this idea about Chaos (possibly) fueling Dracula was bullshit.

The castle is a Creature of Chaos so it makes sense. But I'm sure if this new direction uses the same or similar explanation it would automatically be OK with you 

[Ahasverus]

I'm not defending any Dracula over another. Both have done nothing (Gabriel defeating TFO was kinda /something/ but.. technicaly he wasn't Dracula yet). However it's sad that we had like 25 games with the old Dracula and we never saw him killing anyone because.. of course he only appeared like for 5 mins before getting Killed again.

[Flame]

Chaos itself itsnt necessarily "evil" as a force, just chaotic. Dracula uses it for evil however, and as far as an actual being from AoS goes, "Chaos" is the physical manifestation of the Castle's chaotic flow. The "soul" of the castle, I guess you could say. Upon killing Chaos, Soma effectively destroyed Castlevania.

What I mean is that the Chaotic flow within Castlevania is bound to Dracula and his power. his powers themselves are gained from Walter Bernhard, although the power of dominance may be related to the Crimson Stone.

Or just related to the fact that he dominates all monsters and shit.

by being bound to the chaos within his Castle, Dracula is practically just another creature of the castle. The same way that when the castle materializes, all manner of creatures and monsters arise with it, Dracula also arises, as the master of the castle. It's a perpetual cycle. Some times he is resurrected prematurely by followers, and other times he naturally resurrects within the 100 year cycle. He has no choice, he is trapped in the vicious cycle of reincarnation. Until Julius and the Hakuba priest sealed the castle in another dimension during the eclipse, separating his soul from the chaotic flow which would revive him, and possibly destroying his Crimson stone along with him.

as for Death, wasnt it stated that he isnt exactly the mythological figure that claims the souls of the dead, but just a really powerful necromancer? or "a" Death God? A Shinigami?


On Old Drac vs New Drac, I think we can just settle it like this:

Old Drac was a hands off warlord, directing his troops from his throne, coming to the fray himself only when the last lines of defense are defeated.

New Drac however, seems to be a more hands on "out there in the battlefield" warlord, fighting at the head of his troops, killing anything that gets in his way.

maybe.

At least for their origins it was that way. Mathias carefully planned everything out and had others do his dirty work, only declaring himself once everything has been done,

While Gabriel is really more a victim of circumstance, manipulated by others, but still having done all the dirty work himself, gaining his powers while he was still human, but falling to despair and depression, and once he is forced to sacrifice his humanity to stop a monster he is responsible for unleashing, the loss of his human heart pushes him directly over the edge into the abyss of darkness, where he declares himself.

Mathias is a genius tactician.

Gabriel is a supernaturally powerful warrior.

[Profbeanburrito]

I really hope that whether you play as or fight Gabriel Dracula he still does his fireball attack.

[Flame]

LoS already gave him a fireball attack.

Shadow Magic + Daggers

So its not entirely impossible

[Chernabogue]

Since it's a totally new Dracula, he may have new capacities and not the original Dark Inferno/Hellfire/Demonic Meggido stuff.

He's more of a warrior than a wizard.

[Flame]

Im really looking forward to a more in your face combat kind of Dracula than one that just shoots fireballs. A sword or something and some kind of evil looking armor, a change of pace would be nice, a break from the usual Dracula type of the nobleman with fireballs and shizz.

too bad he broke the Combat Cross, would have been neat to see him use it all corrupted or something, against future Belmonts.

Maybe he'll use another weapon, like a sword?

[Sumac]

Moot point

Agree, but it doesn't mean that it should be completely disregarded since some stuff that came from CVJ was canon.

You're forgetting that Gabriel still has the Devil Mask. What if he uses it to gain power too? It's the same thing.

I wasn't talking about Gabriel at all at this moment.
I meant only that Mathias, at least initially, didn't had "power of dominance" and controlled monsters with the help of some artifact, that was inexplicably forgotten later on.

The castle is a Creature of Chaos so it makes sense. But I'm sure if this new direction uses the same or similar explanation it would automatically be OK with you 

If it will explained later and will be permanent part of the storyline, not one of event, than I obviously will be OK with this. I like when stories are consistent.

Chaos itself itsnt necessarily "evil" as a force, just chaotic. Dracula uses it for evil however, and as far as an actual being from AoS goes, "Chaos" is the physical manifestation of the Castle's chaotic flow. The "soul" of the castle, I guess you could say. Upon killing Chaos, Soma effectively destroyed Castlevania.

I am not sure about it, it was quite a time ago, but I think Soma need to "kill" Chaos in AOS because it was turning him into his former evil-self. So, in a sense it could be said, that Chaos is Evil in Castlevania. Or at least was "corrupted" by Dracula's evil, since Soma didn't not used Chaos for any purpose after turning into Dracula's reincarnation power-wise.

as for Death, wasnt it stated that he isnt exactly the mythological figure that claims the souls of the dead, but just a really powerful necromancer? or "a" Death God? A Shinigami?

As with many things in this series, it was hinted, in COD, if I am not mistaking. But it was never elaborated or clarified later.

[Profbeanburrito]

For the record I wasn't saying that Gabriel should ONLY shoot fireballs, I just meant that in addition to his badass fighting skills I would also like to see that as a magic attack

[A-Yty]

As with many things in this series, it was hinted, in COD, if I am not mistaking.

How was it hinted?

[Chernabogue]

In Judgment, it is said that Death is a god. But heh, it's Judgment... It is also stated in LoI but I'm not sure at all.