Topic: Vampire Killer, a creature of chaos?

[KaZudra]

The Vampire Killer's Origin's on LoI clearly aren't exactly holy...

The VK origininally started as an Alchemy whip, then transformed by the sacrifice of a willing, tainted soul. Over the years (even pre-LoI) the VK has changed shape and element to the wielder's most fit usage, while this is most likely just game logic of upgrades, I'd say could the Vampire Killer be a creature of chaos like Castlevania?

What we know,

• It is the bane of all creatures of the night
• It's origins are very similar to Dracula involving alchemy and tragic lovers
• It has killed John Morris to use it's full potential
• It's transformed from leather to chain, pure holy light, a sword, shoots fireballs, becomes fire enchanted, and much more over time
• It "remembers" the last Belmont who wielded it
• Julius hid this powerful thing in the Castle itself, in a solar eclipse, AND along with it the memories of 1999 itself all in effort to kill Dracula for good but why go through so much trouble?

My theory is this, Vampire Killer is a creature of chaos, but designed to destroy other creatures of chaos. The favoritism of the Belmont clan is most likely Sara's love for Leon and his children, changes properties to become more efficient to the wielder to become the best weapon for the job, every job.

Thoughts, anyone?

[beingthehero]

It has killed John Morris to use it's full potential

It didn't kill John Morris because he used it to its full potential but because he used it too much. Jonathan was able to wield in PoR after the Lecarde sisters 'unlocked' it without draining his life because he only used it at the very end, and presumably dropped it after that.

It's transformed from leather to chain, pure holy light, a sword, shoots fireballs, becomes fire enchanted, and much more over time

The art just handwaves the whole 'leather to chain' bit by always having it appear as a leather whip. I mean even in DXC and PoR where it's always a chain whip, the art (and opening video in PoR) show it as a leather whip. I think Rondo was the only one where it's always depicted as a chain. I'm surprised nobody ever asked IGA why the whip 'evolves' in the games lore-wise.

But the concept that it's a creature of chaos unto itself is an interesting thought. Fight fire with fire, as they say.

[Nagumo]

Post-SotN game always refer to it as the "Holy Whip" though, don't they? 

[Ratty]

I think all the different upgrades to the whip of alchemy in LoI were to explain it's ability to shift forms, and some of the more extreme forms like we saw in CotM aren't really canon to the same timeline. Though they could probably be just as easily explained away as the whip growing and changing in power over time.

Also the reason that it was harmful to John Morris and Jonathan as I understand is that they're not full Belmonts. Perhaps Sara's soul protects Leon's direct descendants from the ill effects of the whip (brought on largely by her own vampiric taint?) but at a certain point Leon's bloodline is too thin for this to work really effectively. I expect this is something that would have been explored more fully if we had gotten a proper Julius Belmont game.

[K.K. Drunkinski]

Two words: Poltergeist King!

[darkwzrd4]

Creature of Chaos? No. But it is a whip that is dark in its origin, and like somethings (and people) with that come from darkness, it isn't necessarily evil. Just look of Alucard. He is dark in nature, but not evil. As for the whip being holy, I have to say that it is a vampiric weapon that is effective against vampires and all related to them. Sort of like fighting fire with fire. Its vampiric nature also accounts for draining the life from all non-Belmonts who wield its full power. And, as some of you know, my position is that after the ritual that completed the VK, Leon became part vampire and all of his descendants are as well. Thus, making them immune to the side effects. It's also why the Belmonts can't swim and why they are the strongest vampire hunters. Again, fighting fire with fire. And, before you say "but they use holy power", I'll say this: anyone can wield holy power with the right items. Hell, in SotN, Alucard can wield holy weapons and he's half-vampire.

[Ratty]

Two words: Poltergeist King!

So Rinaldo was the Poltergeist King?
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Creature of Chaos? No. But it is a whip that is dark in its origin, and like somethings (and people) with that come from darkness, it isn't necessarily evil. Just look of Alucard. He is dark in nature, but not evil. As for the whip being holy, I have to say that it is a vampiric weapon that is effective against vampires and all related to them. Sort of like fighting fire with fire. Its vampiric nature also accounts for draining the life from all non-Belmonts who wield its full power. And, as some of you know, my position is that after the ritual that completed the VK, Leon became part vampire and all of his descendants are as well. Thus, making them immune to the side effects. It's also why the Belmonts can't swim and why they are the strongest vampire hunters. Again, fighting fire with fire. And, before you say "but they use holy power", I'll say this: anyone can wield holy power with the right items. Hell, in SotN, Alucard can wield holy weapons and he's half-vampire.

Interesting theory, it would account for their apparent immunity to lycanthropy and other supernatural afflictions that would stop most mortals.

[The Puritan]

I would love a 3-D CV with exactly that: a fully upgradable/customizable Vampire Killer with different forms letting you adapt to different combat situations.

Post-SotN game always refer to it as the "Holy Whip" though, don't they? 

I forgot who said that, Vincent Dorin or Barlowe maybe, but this can be chalked up to them not being aware of the VK's origins and so assuming it was some kind of holy weapon.

[crisis]

it is a holy weapon tho

Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia [Intro]

[Morning star]

I always viewed the vampire killer (sacred whip) as a weapon of holy origin. However, it's easy to see that there are conflicting messages.

[zangetsu468]

Creature of Chaos? No. But it is a whip that is dark in its origin, and like somethings (and people) with that come from darkness, it isn't necessarily evil. Just look of Alucard. He is dark in nature, but not evil. As for the whip being holy, I have to say that it is a vampiric weapon that is effective against vampires and all related to them. Sort of like fighting fire with fire. Its vampiric nature also accounts for draining the life from all non-Belmonts who wield its full power. And, as some of you know, my position is that after the ritual that completed the VK, Leon became part vampire and all of his descendants are as well. Thus, making them immune to the side effects. It's also why the Belmonts can't swim and why they are the strongest vampire hunters. Again, fighting fire with fire. And, before you say "but they use holy power", I'll say this: anyone can wield holy power with the right items. Hell, in SotN, Alucard can wield holy weapons and he's half-vampire.

The whole point of legends not being canon is because the Belmont bloodline is not part vampiric. The whip required a tainted soul which trusted Leon to become the VK, if Leon was tainted the process would not have worked. Rinaldo told Leon something on the lines that his bloodline was special and the whip took to Leon more than himself.

Secondly, vampirism can be cured through magic, one example - POR; Sanctuary which cures Vincent, and the Twins.

Julius Belmont can swim btw

[Shiroi Koumori]

Julius Belmont can swim btw

Cuz he is that awesome. hehehe.

I still consider the Vampire Killer as holy.

[KaZudra]

Well, Pre-LoI the Vampire Killer is a holy Relic. Now post-LoI The whip is still Holy, but it is a creature of chaos.

Plus Dark and Holy don't dictate good or Evil, Tons of Churches today use Holy for their own Dark intentions

[Morning star]

Tons of Churches today use Holy for their own Dark intentions

This was very well said. This is far worse than just being open about it.

[zangetsu468]

This was very well said. This is far worse than just being open about it.

This takes me back to playing Alundra. Underneath the church floor was a statue of Melzas (the Demon King) good times.... :p