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Ridiculously Comprehensive Belmont Family Tree
« on: August 06, 2018, 09:47:24 PM »
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http://www.familyecho.com/?p=START&c=jnzo9nnu5u&f=474193380380052727

Within this link the tree doth rest.

I spent ages on this, but it's important to realize that I don't claim to have made the "official" family tree. A lot of it is headcanon, my personal beliefs on how things played out, etc.. (The inclusion of both Sonia and Leon should have tipped you off to this).

There are 144 people here from Leon to Julius, many of whom are unnamed Belmonts or Belnades. I crammed as many "official" characters as I reasonably could in there - it's just about everybody who ever had the Belmont last name. The Belnades branch is sparse, but you'll find characters like Zouk and Charlotte if you look hard enough.

I operated under the following assumptions:

1.) Most people have kids around age 30.
2.) The ladies who married into the family took their husband's last names.
3.) "Fernandez" and "Belnades" are the same name; Camilla and Carrie's last names have been changed accordingly.
4.) Alucard aged, and then stopped aging at 20 for some reason.

Again, this is my family tree, not Konami's. I encourage you to make your own and show me what you think! Happy genealogy-ing.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2018, 10:58:20 PM by AxeLord »
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Re: Ridiculously Comprehensive Belmont Family Tree
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2018, 10:08:34 PM »
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I remember coding this shit for hours back then: https://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Belmont_Family_Tree

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Re: Ridiculously Comprehensive Belmont Family Tree
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2018, 09:47:28 AM »
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I see Richter as Juste's son and I'm out...  Sorry.  Same amount of time between Simon and Juste as there is Juste and Richter.  Juste is Richter's Grandfather.

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Re: Ridiculously Comprehensive Belmont Family Tree
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2018, 11:05:37 AM »
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I heard that Charlotte isn't related to the Belnades.
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Re: Ridiculously Comprehensive Belmont Family Tree
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2018, 02:35:26 PM »
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For fuck's sake, Alucard is not the father of Trevor.

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Re: Ridiculously Comprehensive Belmont Family Tree
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2018, 07:53:45 PM »
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Wow that reminded me of one I made ages ago
http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/CVPics6/familytree.gif


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Re: Ridiculously Comprehensive Belmont Family Tree
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2018, 07:26:47 PM »
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Doesn't one of those official Konami timelines (IGA era, of course) say that the Morris family sprouted out of the Belmonts (as in Belmont daughter married Morris husband, originating the Belmont-blooded Morris line) after Trevor, but before Christopher? So, it could be Trevor's daughter, or Trevor's granddaughter. Though, that's just something I recalled. I don't remember if it was in a official Japanese LoI guide or a CoD guide, but something like that.

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Re: Ridiculously Comprehensive Belmont Family Tree
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2018, 07:42:44 PM »
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For fuck's sake, Alucard is not the father of Trevor.

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Re: Ridiculously Comprehensive Belmont Family Tree
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2018, 10:48:18 PM »
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IGA did mentioned something to that extent.
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Re: Ridiculously Comprehensive Belmont Family Tree
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 10:31:04 AM »
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Doesn't one of those official Konami timelines (IGA era, of course) say that the Morris family sprouted out of the Belmonts (as in Belmont daughter married Morris husband, originating the Belmont-blooded Morris line) after Trevor, but before Christopher? So, it could be Trevor's daughter, or Trevor's granddaughter. Though, that's just something I recalled. I don't remember if it was in a official Japanese LoI guide or a CoD guide, but something like that.

It's all over the place. The LoI guide indeed says the Morris family split off from the Belmonts between Trevor and Christopher, but one version of the official time claims they split off after Richter, and there's also Japanese material from around the time of Bloodlines' release that claims John Morris is a descendant of Simon.     

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Re: Ridiculously Comprehensive Belmont Family Tree
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 01:41:01 PM »
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It's all over the place. The LoI guide indeed says the Morris family split off from the Belmonts between Trevor and Christopher, but one version of the official time claims they split off after Richter, and there's also Japanese material from around the time of Bloodlines' release that claims John Morris is a descendant of Simon.   

Okay, this line of thought intrigued me, so I dug out my old genealogy notes from a while back, and started a couple more hours of digging because can't stop won't stop.

So, given that in America, the concept of "old families" generally means well established since the 1700's to the early 1800's, it would be kind of weird (at least at first glance) to have the largely American Morris clan crop up a full 200-300 years earlier than that. Based on that assumption, I'd peg their historic emergence probably around Richter's time, perhaps a little later. It fits in with the American perception and timeline of Old Families, and since the Belmonts couldn't use the whip after/because of Richter, I'd say the integration of Belmont blood into the Morris family may have effectively served as a sort of genealogical Plan B.

However, it's entirely possible that the Belmonts married off a daughter or a lesser/illegitimate son to the ancestors of the Morris family, which, based on the history of the surname, also makes sense -- it's been around since the mid-1200's, and, like Belmont, derives from in and around Normandy, in France.

So, the Morris family may have been linked to the Belmonts around the late 15th or early 16th century as posited by the LoI guide, back when they were (probably) known as the St. Maurice family, which, in the real world, was apparently some manner of French nobility that became "Morris" after emigrating to England. Becoming English explains how the Morris family arrives in America: they were very likely colonists in the early days before the American Revolution, and likely headed west to Texas (where we later find Quincy is from) with the large push of Westward Expansion, which, by Quincy's time, had made enough new fortune in the Ranching business to be able to rub shoulders with the English elite and be a serious contender for the hand of Lucy Westenra in marriage. It's worth noting that the Victorian era London Elite is generally considered to be slightly more snobbish and exclusive than the New York City Elite, which if you know anything about the New York City Elite from the same period (Winthrops, Hearsts, Carnegies, etc.), is saying quite a lot. If you've made it to the point where you can rub shoulders and compete with them, you've damn well made it big.

Props to Iga, he also got Leon's timeline as an early Belmont spot-on -- the earliest records of Belmont as a family name are from around 1066, so it's highly likely that, assuming Castlevania's pre-LoI history closely resembles ours, Leon is either a first or second generation bearer of the name. The real-life Belmont clan was apparently related by some degree to William the Conqueror, which would explain Leon's nobility in-universe. Furthermore, Leon was a very popular name in France for centuries, his knightly colors are very French in design and color choice, and his features are as close to French as you can get with Ayami Kojima's art style... so I'm gonna go ahead and say he's probably French. The evidence does seem to fit this assertion.

We can also see a pattern in the countries associated with given names of various Belmonts: Leon (French), Ralph (Norman-French)/Trevor (British), Christopher (mostly French, but crops up basically everywhere), Soleiyu (French), Simon (like Christopher, basically everywhere in Christian Europe), Juste (French), and Richter (German). We can fairly determine that the family is largely a French one, with occasional external branches chiming in some influence.

I find this last bit particularly interesting because the geography of Castlevania isn't often discussed by the series, with only a few games having their specific settings stated beyond just "The Castle", but naming patterns like this can give a lot of background details about the surprisingly grand scope of the mythology.

It's also an interesting story: a French clan loses their noble title, heads pretty far east to Wallachia (also predators tend to follow their prey and Wallachia def seems to have a super bad vampire infestation), settles, regains some manner of title almost 400 years later (thanks to the whole "saving the world from Dracula" deal), and then, after marrying with another noble clan, spreads back out across Europe and has links as far away as the New World, where they are still active over 600 years later.

Goddamn I love studying names and history.
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 02:04:20 PM by Lumi Kløvstad »
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