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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Superhunter on March 10, 2013, 01:57:43 AM
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So Ive beaten mirror of fate, it's enjoyable enough, but damn it, it's disappointing. I wanna like the Lords series I really do, but...
- The writing is awful, it's just awful, it's so clumsy and it just falls so short. The original castlevania before they started getting more fleshed out with anime story lines, back when their was basically the belmonts who kill dracula, and dracula the bad guy. I mean it's an archetypal battle between good vs evil and when a new studio comes in to modernize it, we get clumsy writing, laughable dialogue, and inconsistent story telling. Just stop.
- the action is just so dumb, we have these characters that are supposed to be incredibly skilled warriors, but to add action they give them circumstantial god like strength and invincability. Oh in game it takes 20 hits to kill a skeleton and a 20 foot drop is death. But in cutscenes Gabriel can be stabbed through the abdomen by a a tail the size of a free trunk then use his blood to draw a football field sized cross and walk away, just like Simon picking up a werewolf and breaking its back over his knee (seriously that actually happens) and Trevor ripping a monster the size of a b-52 in half by pulling a chain through it. Seriously just stop.
- the weapon. You fucked up the vampire killer, really, like 5 stories length of chain is supposed to fit into a foot long handle, and these guys can swing that around like it's weightless, it's just ludicrous, also this foot long handle has enough propulsion to not just grapple, but to be shot through the chests of giant monsters, not to mention it's all mechanical, no magic in involved, which also pisses me off, the belmonts (at least Gabriel, seeing as how Trevor uses a copy of the cross that shouldn't exist) don't have a sacred holy weapon that shouldn't be able to kill, but through some unknown power can destroy darkness, no that wouldn't make sense, these new belmonts just smack monsters to death with a hundred pound chain that is for some reason weightless. Just please for the love of god stop
- I'm not mad mercury steam, I'm just disappointed,
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I'll humor you, my good man
1. Tell me specifically where the writing is weak and/or inconsistant and I'll do my best to reply properly
2. It takes 4-5 hits to kill skeletons, and that is with alucard and Trevor. Over-exaggeration doesn't improve your post, it weakens it (no offense meant). Gabriel didn't get stabbed through his abdomen, but to the right of said area, which allows him to use his blood to form a seal to trap the daemon lord. Gabriel is mentioned to be capable of feats of superhuman quality when he was solely just human and mortal, so it isn't far fetched to think that Trevor and Simon inherited some of that strength. Not to mention, Trevor's combat cross, while a copy of the original (which Gabriel destroyed), it does seem to have the spiked chain upgrade Gabriel could acquire in the original game, so that , along with Trevor's genetics, training, and weapon quality, could allow him to vivisect the daemon lord.
3. It's not suppose to be realistic, this is a dark fantasy game after all. Not to mention, these crosses were created by the brotherhood, so they've likely been blessed to kill creatures of the dark. Even then, as shown by grant from the original timeline, the weapons don't have to be special, you just have to be skilled enough to kill the beasts with them. It's also stated that the wealders of the cross propulse it with their bare strength, with is of supernatural quality and enhanced with rigorous training.
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Oh in game it takes 20 hits to kill a skeleton and a 20 foot drop is death. But in cutscenes Gabriel can be stabbed through the abdomen by a a tail the size of a free trunk then use his blood to draw a football field sized cross and walk away, just like Simon picking up a werewolf and breaking its back over his knee (seriously that actually happens) and Trevor ripping a monster the size of a b-52 in half by pulling a chain through it. Seriously just stop.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CutscenePowerToTheMax (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CutscenePowerToTheMax)
One thing I liked about the original canon was that there was very little difference between what your characters did in actual gameplay and what they did in cut-scenes. I think the DS games illustrate this best, with Soma's souls, the Dominus glyphs, and the Sanctuary spell, but there are other examples, too, like in CoD, which had Hector doing things in cut-scenes you could do in-game (chaining backflips, for example). LoS seems to go more along the lines of 'Rule of Cool.' Not necessarily a bad thing, but...
- the weapon. You fucked up the vampire killer, really, like 5 stories length of chain is supposed to fit into a foot long handle, and these guys can swing that around like it's weightless, it's just ludicrous, also this foot long handle has enough propulsion to not just grapple, but to be shot through the chests of giant monsters, not to mention it's all mechanical, no magic in involved
I like the CC's design; I think it was thought out well. But you're right; it doesn't have a weighty feel to it, it doesn't do the damage it should, and it should be enchanted when it isn't (well, not that we've seen, anyway).
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So either I'm having massive déjà vu, or this exact same topic was already made when LoS came out
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So nothing have changed?
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So nothing have changed?
Well, the whining sure hasn't
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I wouldn't call this thread whining, Op's post isn't really whiny, He just shares some of his bothers with the story and design. Fair enough, right? Ill have to agree though, in the end, it's all fantasy, about hunters vs the supernatural + Dracula.
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I wouldn't call this thread whining, Op's post isn't really whiny, He just shares some of his bothers with the story and design. Fair enough, right? Ill have to agree though, in the end, it's all fantasy, about hunters vs the supernatural + Dracula.
I don't begrudge the man the right to share his opinion. I guess it just came off as a bit whiny because it feels like I read the exact same thing two years ago a midst all of the whine that was going on then.
Especially when a lot of it can be explained by the typical "fantasy =/= reality" and "gameplay mechanics =/= cutscene logic"
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Honestly I thought the story/writing was way more consistent in this one than it was in LoS. LoS had too many things that we're just "because" and not enough explanations for it.
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Let's be honest, if the LoS series didn't have Castlevania in its name, there wouldn't be any whining. The only people who are whining are the people who liked the old cannon and can't except the fact that the series has been rebooted to the point that it barely resembles what they know and love. Jeez, move on already!!! You guys are acting like Mathias was when his first wife died in LoI. You whine and refuse move on. The old cannon is dead. Period. You're free to have to your opinions, but stop whining on the forums. We all know you don't like LoS. We don't need to constantly hear it.
That being said, if this was its own stand alone series, no one would be whining. It's all because you idiots consider it a blasphemy and act like all this complaining is going to get Konami to go back to the old cannon and continue it (IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!).
As for why the Combat Cross is effective against monsters, I believe it is said somewhere that the during the construction, holy water was poured over the chain.
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old cannon
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi228.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee35%2Fbeingthehero%2Foldcannon_zpsd248a97d.jpg&hash=6889426a1a5366b24f480dfde06d2aaa6b9ebe69)
RIP old cannon, you will be missed
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So if I pour holy water in myself I can kill Dracula with a hug? lol
You are not Konami so you cannot confirm that they dont will return to the old canon and saying that in BIGGU LETTERZ doesnt give you more credit in this affirmation. Calm down friend, you dont are making justice to your Unfazed award, I really never have seen you whining like that before.
If we dislike something, certainly we will share it here.
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beinghtehero, I thought in doing that but found it to be too cruel. I know what is to do mistakes like that, since I learned english with games. Also he said "can't except" instead of "can't accept".
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Let's be honest, if the LoS series didn't have Castlevania in its name, there wouldn't be any whining. The only people who are whining are the people who liked the old cannon and can't except the fact that the series has been rebooted to the point that it barely resembles what they know and love. Jeez, move on already!!! You guys are acting like Mathias was when his first wife died in LoI. You whine and refuse move on. The old cannon is dead. Period. You're free to have to your opinions, but stop whining on the forums. We all know you don't like LoS. We don't need to constantly hear it.
That being said, if this was its own stand alone series, no one would be whining. It's all because you idiots consider it a blasphemy and act like all this complaining is going to get Konami to go back to the old cannon and continue it (IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!).
As for why the Combat Cross is effective against monsters, I believe it is said somewhere that the during the construction, holy water was poured over the chain.
hey i´m a fan of the LoS. Not a Big Fan of the Iga´s canonic but i still critic the LoS saga.
it´s not the game that is bad in itself is what konami did to the Cv series that created all this ... Nah . They finished something before set a end to it.
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IMO,
If it wasn't called Castlevania, People would be instead talking about how it's a Castlevania ripoff, and wondering why Konami didn't just make a new Castlevania instead. We would quite conversely, be wondering why it ISN'T a Castlevania game.
The Combat Cross' chain was dipped in holy water when it was forged. IOW, during the cooling part, instead of normal water.
I think.
Also, I disagree- I doubt the old canon is finished for good. They will return to it eventually if they can find some more money to squeeze space to squeeze a story into.
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The series has been rebooted to the point that it barely resembles what they know and love.
Exactly.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!
I strongly believe that The Adventure: Rebirth is not the last ClassicVania we'll see.
Also, the main timeline isn't finished, and LoS timeline ends this year. We still didn't have the 1999 game and Cox himself said that only Iga can do that. MS also stated that they won't make another game and want to move on to another projects.
If the Iga team never returns, I don't believe japanese will never try to make a new game again.
WayForward expressed publicly that they want to make a Castlevania, and the Konami/Platinum relationship, thanks to Revengeance, is today in the best shape.
We still don't have clues pointing to FromSoftware, but one never knows.
Vita still didn't receive a Castlevania and the current Nintendo portable only received one, when it's been tradition for 3 generations of portable Nintendo consoles that Castlevania have 3 entries.
And WiiU, PS4 and Xbox 720 are viable options for downloadable titles, be it multiplayer or linear games. Or who knows? Perhaps MetroidVania, which was previously reduced from console to handheld (SotN to CotM), now naturally becomes a constant for downloadable titles.
Also, many old entries in the saga could use a remake like DXC.
We have plenty of possibilities.
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The series has been rebooted to the point that it barely resembles what they know and love.
I disagree. I recognize plenty Castlevania in the LoS series. But in the end, it boils down to "what makes a Castlevania to you", so it's all subjective.
If the Iga team never returns, I don't believe japanese will never try to make a new game again.
The double negative here implies you think that they will still make CV games beyond IGA, which I agree with,
-unless it's just a misplaced negative and you mean they WON'T make any CV games unless he comes back, at which i have to say: IGA is not the Castlevania Franchise. Castlevania was just fine before he took over, and will be just fine beyond him. In fact, without him, we may get more variety.
Also, many old entries in the saga could use a remake like DXC.
Dracula X Chronicles WAS a remake. Of Rondo of Blood/Dracula X
I would personally love to se a Simon's Quest or Dracula's Curse remake.
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If the Iga team never returns, I don't believe japanese will never try to make a new game again.
absolutely wrong. jun furano have done a great Castlevania Game even without touching castlevania before and in his time (1994 i supose) IGA was in the University. i believe that japaneses could make a great game even without IGA , Ayami or Michiruon the team.
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Yeah, my words were misunderstood again.
Shall we all speak in italian or spanish? That way I won't be misunderstood again. Just joking, anyway.
What I mean is that if Iga never returns, japanese will anyway make new Castlevanias eventually. They won't stop doing japanese CV forever just because Iga isn't there. I love Iga games more than anything in the VG industry, but above all, I love Castlevania more than anything in my life, and I don't want it to die just because Iga felt like trying something else.
Of course CV was perfectly fine before Iga stepped in. It was perfect also while he was.
And here I'm hoping that in the future it will be the same, being Iga involved or not.
And of course DXC was a remake, that's why I used it as an example.
Lots of old CV games could use a remake... like DXC was.
We have so, so many possibilities for the future...
I like to dream about them.
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I love Iga games more than anything in the VG industry
Did you play Tokimeki Memorial then?
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Yes, Tokimeki Memorial, the one with a Maria Renard keychain if I recall it correctly.
And Otomedius Excellent.
But I was talking about Castlevania Iga games :)
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Im only testing you milady, you exceeded my expectatives. ;)
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Haha! Not a problem at all! :)
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Let's be honest, if the LoS series didn't have Castlevania in its name, there wouldn't be any whining. The only people who are whining are the people who liked the old cannon and can't except the fact that the series has been rebooted to the point that it barely resembles what they know and love. Jeez, move on already!!! You guys are acting like Mathias was when his first wife died in LoI. You whine and refuse move on. The old cannon is dead. Period. You're free to have to your opinions, but stop whining on the forums. We all know you don't like LoS. We don't need to constantly hear it.
That being said, if this was its own stand alone series, no one would be whining. It's all because you idiots consider it a blasphemy and act like all this complaining is going to get Konami to go back to the old cannon and continue it (IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!).
As for why the Combat Cross is effective against monsters, I believe it is said somewhere that the during the construction, holy water was poured over the chain.
The story was the least of my concerns with a reboot. In fact, I've been wanting them to do the 1999 game and start over for a while now. Don't get me wrong, LoS's story was disappointing even by old canon standards, but the true problem here is that the uniqueness of Castlevania has been sucked away in an attempt to clone the success of other fantasy action games. No longer do we have a whole roster interesting enemy designs, or music worthy of the gaming hall of fame.
Perhaps it worked, as Lords of Shadow sold a bunch. But as far as living up to the Castlevania legacy? It's more than a stone's throw to reach that benchmark.
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Perhaps it worked, as Lords of Shadow sold a bunch.
Perhaps there are not much games for the consoles right now as compared to before. Plus console games are competing with casual games on the tablets and social sites.
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I disagree. I recognize plenty Castlevania in the LoS series. But in the end, it boils down to "what makes a Castlevania to you", so it's all subjective.
Well, for me the only time that it felt like Castlevania, was Wygol abbey.
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They added bats and medusa heads in MoF?
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That being said, if this was its own stand alone series, no one would be whining. It's all because you idiots consider it a blasphemy and act like all this complaining is going to get Konami to go back to the old cannon and continue it (IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!).
Except Cox said returning to the old continuity is possible.
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I think I recall Cox saying that it was an AU and not a replacement for the old timeline.
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AS exaggerated as SuperHunter makes his post out to be, I'd still have to agree with it. LoS was a struggle to get through on so many levels for me, and there were many elements about it that I did not like. I still haven't even finished it so much as I was more/less 'finished by it'. And after seeing several videos of the MoF play-throughs I don't see any real changes in it except that it plays as a 2.5D as opposed to full-on 3D.
Yeah, my words were misunderstood again.
Shall we all speak in italian or spanish? That way I won't be misunderstood again. Just joking, anyway.
Don't worry too much. I fully understood what you meant to say here as I also have a similar sentence structure myself. Thus it's easy to translate for me. Even if no-one else understands you there will always be that one person who does. :)
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The only people who are whining are the people who liked the old cannon and can't except the fact that the series has been rebooted to the point that it barely resembles what they know and love.
Heh! You make it sound like the series being rebooted and no longer resembling Castlevania is, like, not a big deal or anything. As if we should just shrug about it and say, "oh well," even if it was something we knew and loved :p
That's not likely to happen. Even you admit that many of us have made a large emotional investment to the series. Us actually caring about the series going down the toilet actually shows that.
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Actually, in my opinion, the series has already gone down the toilet. You'd have to use a seriously hardcore plunger to bring it back :p
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Heh! You make it sound like the series being rebooted and no longer resembling Castlevania is, like, not a big deal or anything. As if we should just shrug about it and say, "oh well," even if it was something we knew and loved :p
That's not likely to happen. Even you admit that many of us have made a large emotional investment to the series. Us actually caring about the series going down the toilet actually shows that.
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Actually, in my opinion, the series has already gone down the toilet. You'd have to use a seriously hardcore plunger to bring it back :p
All I was saying, is that people are still complaining about the reboot even though it happened something like two and a half years ago. I wasn't happy about the reboot either, but unlike SOME PEOPLE, I grieved for a bit and then I moved on like Leon Belmont likely did. Whereas SOME PEOPLE are acting like Mathias did and refuse to move on.
If Konami (or someone else) goes to back to the old cannon, I'd be very happy about it. There's still the "DEMON CASTLE WAR" (1999 game), the sequel to SotN which probably explains why the Belmont's are out of the picture until 1999, and the nearly 400 year period between LoI and CV3. And that's not even including some of the potential side-story games that can be made like perhaps a game starring Sypha before she was turned to stone by the cyclops.
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Yknow, if Cox and MS did anything with the LoS universe post LoS2, You know what I'd love to see? Something taking place before loS, where you control the Founders of the Brotherhood. Zobek, Carmilla, and Cornell. Maybe a CV3-ish thing where you play as all 3, and each one has their own strengths, particularly with their Relics, the ones Gabriel gets in LoS. Cornell would have the ability to sprint/dash and have speedy movement, Carmilla would have the ability to double jump or fly for short periods of time, (supposedly the Seraph shoulders were capable of flight before she became a Lord of Shadow, so maybe aerial mobility would be her thing) And Zobek...
Actually, that's interesting, but we never really learned of any particular Relic bestowed upon Zobek... The Black Knight Gauntlet is a demonic relic, so that's out, unless you contrive that Zobek had a similar, holy gauntlet, or just make up something new for him.
Lessee. They all seem to be mobility based, but after running fast and flying, what else can you really do?
Either way- I think that would be a neat concept for a Pre-LoS game. Play as the order founders before they became the Lords of Shadow. The main antagonists, or one of- could be the Bernhards, We keep hearing of how evil and terrible they were, We could actually see them in a game like this. Friedrich Von Frankenstein, who again was mentioned in LoS as having inhabited the castle and been tortured by Carmilla once she became it's Lord, and finally, the Forgotten One, whom LoS mentions was sealed by the founders.
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Such a game would then ceize to be "Castlevania" as we know it, as there would be no Belmont(s), and no Dracula. They could make it an entirely new IP with loose ties to the LoS-verse and none would be the wiser (except us, of course). A spin-off of the LoS series if you will.
There's also the Necromantic Wars that was described in LoS, the fact that the Titans were created to combat the Lycans, the Aghartheans, etc.
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Yknow, if Cox and MS did anything with the LoS universe post LoS2, You know what I'd love to see? Something taking place before loS, where you control the Founders of the Brotherhood. Zobek, Carmilla, and Cornell. Maybe a CV3-ish thing where you play as all 3, and each one has their own strengths, particularly with their Relics, the ones Gabriel gets in LoS. Cornell would have the ability to sprint/dash and have speedy movement, Carmilla would have the ability to double jump or fly for short periods of time, (supposedly the Seraph shoulders were capable of flight before she became a Lord of Shadow, so maybe aerial mobility would be her thing) And Zobek...
Actually, that's interesting, but we never really learned of any particular Relic bestowed upon Zobek... The Black Knight Gauntlet is a demonic relic, so that's out, unless you contrive that Zobek had a similar, holy gauntlet, or just make up something new for him.
Lessee. They all seem to be mobility based, but after running fast and flying, what else can you really do?
Either way- I think that would be a neat concept for a Pre-LoS game. Play as the order founders before they became the Lords of Shadow. The main antagonists, or one of- could be the Bernhards, We keep hearing of how evil and terrible they were, We could actually see them in a game like this. Friedrich Von Frankenstein, who again was mentioned in LoS as having inhabited the castle and been tortured by Carmilla once she became it's Lord, and finally, the Forgotten One, whom LoS mentions was sealed by the founders.
There's also the Necromantic Wars that was described in LoS, the fact that the Titans were created to combat the Lycans, the Aghartheans, etc.
Those are great ideas. You could consider them "side-entries" to the series. Such games would only deepen our understanding of that timeline. Let's see Cornell would be a warrior (probably using that hammer he used in our against us in our fight against him, Zobek was said to be a wizard (Laura mentions it in Reverie), and I have no idea how Camilla would fight.
A game about the founders could be set up by having three stories (one for each of the founders) and each story would fit together in the end. If done right, it could be an great game.
Oh, and crisis...about the Necromantic Wars...the Titans weren't used against the Aghartians. The Titans were created by the Aghartians to fight in the wars.
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It's not like Castlevania is a stranger to games without Belmonts (Bloodlines, 64/LoD, PoR, technically OoE,) or Dracula. (Technically LoI, Technically HoD, AoS, DoS, Technically LoS,)
And of course they would be side games, spin offs. I just enjoy the LoSverse and it's backstory and shit. The Aghartan stuff would be interesting too, but that would have a bad end, since we know who won that. And that would be even more spin off-y considering there would be no character we know, to play as. a Brotherhood spin off with the founders would be much more likely.
Or a comic/minimovie/whatever, that's cool too, but a Game would be neat.
Let's see Cornell would be a warrior (probably using that hammer he used in our against us in our fight against him, Zobek was said to be a wizard (Laura mentions it in Reverie), and I have no idea how Camilla would fight.
I always figured Zobek would fight with a sword, like in LoS. Even his portrait has one. It's Carmilla I would imagine with magic.
Although that's not to say all three could use magic. Cornell uses Shadow magic in LoS, and Carmilla uses force lightning. or was that Zobek? I dont remember.
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Yknow, if Cox and MS did anything with the LoS universe post LoS2, You know what I'd love to see? Something taking place before loS, where you control the Founders of the Brotherhood. Zobek, Carmilla, and Cornell. Maybe a CV3-ish thing where you play as all 3, and each one has their own strengths, particularly with their Relics, the ones Gabriel gets in LoS. Cornell would have the ability to sprint/dash and have speedy movement, Carmilla would have the ability to double jump or fly for short periods of time, (supposedly the Seraph shoulders were capable of flight before she became a Lord of Shadow, so maybe aerial mobility would be her thing) And Zobek...
Actually, that's interesting, but we never really learned of any particular Relic bestowed upon Zobek... The Black Knight Gauntlet is a demonic relic, so that's out, unless you contrive that Zobek had a similar, holy gauntlet, or just make up something new for him.
Lessee. They all seem to be mobility based, but after running fast and flying, what else can you really do?
Either way- I think that would be a neat concept for a Pre-LoS game. Play as the order founders before they became the Lords of Shadow. The main antagonists, or one of- could be the Bernhards, We keep hearing of how evil and terrible they were, We could actually see them in a game like this. Friedrich Von Frankenstein, who again was mentioned in LoS as having inhabited the castle and been tortured by Carmilla once she became it's Lord, and finally, the Forgotten One, whom LoS mentions was sealed by the founders.
Wow, I like all those ideas.
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Such a game would then ceize to be "Castlevania" as we know it, as there would be no Belmont(s), and no Dracula. They could make it an entirely new IP with loose ties to the LoS-verse and none would be the wiser (except us, of course). A spin-off of the LoS series if you will.
There's also the Necromantic Wars that was described in LoS, the fact that the Titans were created to combat the Lycans, the Aghartheans, etc.
Yeah. The thing is, we could have a Castlevania with those elements/stories already, becasue they are part of the lore now.
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Then why not have a game that covers the Crusades? It could play like Dynasty Warriors but 100x better because anything's better than Dynasty Warriors. At least it would have a Belmont. It could be a prequel to LoI and explore the relationship between Leon & Matthias, and the player could be under Matthias command while playing as one of Leon's comrades. Hell, it could even be a MMORPG.
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I prefer Sengoku Basara than Dynasty Warriors and something like your idea could work.
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but 100x better because anything's better than Dynasty Warriors
Hahahahaha! That one made me laugh!!! :)
Whereas SOME PEOPLE are acting like Mathias did and refuse to move on.
But you have a point.
I say this with respect.
I've been looking where to move on, but I can't.
Castlevania is the only place that can provide me with specific feelings and emotions.
I just can't forget what it's used to be. For someone so passionate and invested as myself, it's like losing my first and only love.
So I guess I just have to wait, and hope for the best.
It's not easy to put it in words.
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Amazing game ideas mentioned above!
Is anyone from Konami reading our messages? (do they even know we exist?)
Now is the right time to get fan ideas and bring them into fruition, since the LOS trilogy is ending.
And we are greatly in need of a new Castlevania.
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I dunno that loi really needs a prequel to a prequel.. we know what we need to know about the duo. theres nothing special about their prr loi events. maybe a supplemental media like a comic, but game? id rather something between loi and cv3
the founders meanwhile, have a wealth of stuff to draw from. magic powers from the start, allowing for interesting gameplay, and chronicled exploits against the supernatural, with the bernhards summoning and loosing shit, and Frankenstein
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What they need to do is make Castlevania its own thing instead of trying to take bits and pieces from other games.. Mainly God of War. It isn't working out for them. I'll admit, the story is okay, but other than that the game is extremely generic and sub-par. Oh, the graphics are decent too I guess. A big reason why I think Castlevania should be given to Platinum games is because they have an extreme amount of originality when it comes to their games. They don't say "hey this worked for god of war let's just be lazy and copy + paste this into our game, and while we're at it let's just use some stock music too"
Oh and do away with titan boss fights. They suck and are more boring than watching paint dry. Stop trying to be Shadow of the Colossus.
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All I was saying, is that people are still complaining about the reboot even though it happened something like two and a half years ago. I wasn't happy about the reboot either, but unlike SOME PEOPLE, I grieved for a bit and then I moved on like Leon Belmont likely did.
I don't think you're talking about me personally, but to relate my own experience, I have moved on. On a personal level, I can't really even bring myself to work on my Castlevania website because I just can't be bothered to care anymore. I care a lot about my website (hence why I still pay for it), but I don't care that much about Castlevania at the moment. I'm on the internet as much as ever, but don't visit Castlevania forums daily like I used to, and spend hours a day on them. I'll be doing good just to pop in a couple times in a month. And when I do, I always mostly see people talking about ways in which the series can be repaired, or hopes that it can. I mainly stop by to check up on some private messages, and while I'm in the area, I'll see what people are talking about for a few minutes.
I care about other things now. When I think back to Castlevania, it's always a very bittersweet feeling. More bitter than sweet at the moment. I'm more or less at the point where I'm apathetic about whatever the series is doing. I didn't even know Mirror of Fate was out until yesterday, to be honest. I have not played it, but I've seen gameplay and promo videos for it, and I wasn't the least bit interested. It doesn't look like something that would captivate me at all.
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A big reason why I think Castlevania should be given to Platinum games is because they have an extreme amount of originality when it comes to their games.
Once again, I ask the question, that was dodged several times already - Platinum Games maybe make an awesome action, with lots of cinematographic action and crazy effects, but is it capable to create a good Castlevania?
I am saying this because Castlevania from them, most likely, will be what Twins Snakes to the original Metal Gear Solid - lots of bullet time and the like. The question is will it all fit to the Castlevania game, better than what LOS did? I am afraid, that Castlevania from them will compared to the chinese action movies with "wire-fu" and it will create another shitstorm about "Castlevania identity" and what should be and should not be in the series.
I don't think you're talking about me personally, but to relate my own experience, I have moved on. On a personal level, I can't really even bring myself to work on my Castlevania website because I just can't be bothered to care anymore
It's more like an opposite to the "moved on". I don't see a point to invest so much into fictional universes. They come and go, have they high and lows. Those should be expected and not taking as the tragedy.
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It's more like an opposite to the "moved on". I don't see a point to invest so much into fictional universes. They come and go, have they high and lows. Those should be expected and not taking as the tragedy.
Well, its not only fictional universes, for some people they are hobbies if its a franchise, like golf or any other hobby. For someone that loves golf and learn that they will close his preferred circuit its kinda heart breaking. Injuries heal with the time, but some of them leave scars.
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Well, its not only fictional universes, for some people they are hobbies if its a franchise, like golf or any other hobby. For someone that loves golf and learn that they will close his preferred circuit its kinda heart breaking. Injuries heal with the time, but some of them leave scars.
That's actually a terrific analogy. Well put.
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Thanks uzo.
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It's more like an opposite to the "moved on". I don't see a point to invest so much into fictional universes. They come and go, have they high and lows. Those should be expected and not taking as the tragedy.
So not really caring is the opposite of moving on? Hmm...
You seem to invest a lot into your arguments. If you didn't, you wouldn't spend the time continuously having them. I, personally, find that even more pointless than investing into a fictional universe that you like (which I don't find pointless at all), because I doubt you've changed even one person's mind with them.
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There's nothing wrong on investing one's soul into a hobbie.
And if that hobbie happens to be a VG franchise, then so be it.
Lelygax analogy with golf was perfect.
Imagine how a sports fan feels if they know their team will dissapear?
Well, I am a bit of a sports fan, and I like to do other things, like watching movies and anime, but if I had to choose for all of them but one to dissapear, I'd choose that only CV remains.
That's how important CV is to me.
A fictional universe can be sometimes the only ease to pain.
Like I said on another post, since OoE I feel like I lost my first love.
Only very passionate and invested people can understand that. From a logical point of view there's no way of putting it into words.
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the world changes, and with it all that exists. Castlevania,our hobbie, is not a exception. and is the way that people accept changes that make the difference. i must admit i don´t like LoS(i don´t call it Castlevania). but with LoS:MoF the MS have proved to me that they can actually make castlevania games.
That's how important CV is to me.
A fictional universe can be sometimes the only ease to pain.
Like I said on another post, since OoE I feel like I lost my first love.
Only very passionate and invested people can understand that. From a logical point of view there's no way of putting it into words.
# 1 - this or using drug´s
# 2 - don´t be so exaggerated, OoE was a game made without plans, if they have made OoE in other console and with more 6 or 8 month´s of hard spent scripting, OoE could beat SoTN by far(See DXC engine for a example). and yes there is no way to explain love for something in word´s.
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Mario never changed and I see Mario fans really happy with it.
Of course, Nintendo is one exceptional company. And with exceptional I mean what it means in the dictionary.
OoE is my favourite 2nd CV ever.
What I meant is that ever since I finished OoE I'm waiting for my love to return to me.
I'm starting to sound like a drama queen :P
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So that makes me a drama king/lord, I've been so dramatic that I doesnt know how someone didn't bashed me yet.
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Once again, I ask the question, that was dodged several times already - Platinum Games maybe make an awesome action, with lots of cinematographic action and crazy effects, but is it capable to create a good Castlevania?
I am saying this because Castlevania from them, most likely, will be what Twins Snakes to the original Metal Gear Solid - lots of bullet time and the like. The question is will it all fit to the Castlevania game, better than what LOS did? I am afraid, that Castlevania from them will compared to the chinese action movies with "wire-fu" and it will create another shitstorm about "Castlevania identity" and what should be and should not be in the series.
It's more like an opposite to the "moved on". I don't see a point to invest so much into fictional universes. They come and go, have they high and lows. Those should be expected and not taking as the tragedy.
First of all, good question. However, I'd like to know why you think that a Castlevania game by Platinum would have Twin Snakes syndrome? Did they work on that game?
Anyway, this is MY perfect scenario for a new CV game: Get rid of David Cox and never let him or his team get their hands on it ever again. Secondly, get IGA, Michiru Yamane and some of the other composers back on board. Team IGA up with Platinum. Say what you want about IGA, but that man has a very long history with Castlevania now and can provide Platinum games with a direction, much like Hideo Kojima did with Metal Gear Rising. IGA knows what fans would like to see in Castlevania games and always pays homage to even the classic CV games in all his games.
With Platinum handling the gameplay aspect and IGA/Yamane handling everything else, I think we'd have the perfect savior Castlevania game. Never forget that Lords of Shit was never even supposed to be a Castlevania game anyway and they just slapped our beloved Castlevania title on there half way through development. I wouldn't even have a problem with LoS if it wasn't called Castlevania, but they went ahead and took advantage of the Castlevania name.
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Mario never changed and I see Mario fans really happy with it.
Of course, Nintendo is one exceptional company. And with exceptional I mean what it means in the dictionary.
I'm starting to sound like a drama queen :P
# 1- Mario changed so many times that i have lost my numbers but Mario changed in a way better than Castlevania.
# 2- the Nitendo don´t make games only the consoles. don´t get confused anymore. Nitendo to me is similar to a boy that never grew even if pass 100 year´s. not sounding rude but it´s the truth.
# 3- You are not starting.you are a drama queen.girl,in which school you have learned ? are you a actress ? :P
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Get rid of David Cox and never let him or his team get their hands on it ever again. Secondly, get IGA,
Stopped reading there- You don't need to be a dick about it. And quite frankly, im tired of IGA.
I know I know, your opinion. well thats my opinion of your opinion.
IGA knows what fans would like to see in Castlevania games and always pays homage to even the classic CV games in all his games.
Does he? I never asked for the saturday morning anime artstyle in DoS and PoR, or the gimmick driven gameplay he insists on, or the monotonousness of LoI and CoD.
Also, yes. he does pay homage. So did MS though, but people overlook that. and IMO, reusing rondo sprites and SoTN assets isnt homage.
Never forget that Lords of Shit
wow what an ass.
was never even supposed to be a Castlevania game anyway and they just slapped our beloved Castlevania title on there half way through development.
aaaand confirmed for troll.
And somehow, Sumac gets the bad rap...
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hey man Calm down i know that the first LoS Deceptioned, but MoF changed a lot and shows that MS still have chance to make a Good Cv Game.you can get your fingers burned man. don´t do unthinking opinion´s until have certain sure of them
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# 1- Mario changed so many times that i have lost my numbers but Mario changed in a way better than Castlevania.
# 2- the Nitendo don´t make games only the consoles. don´t get confused anymore. Nitendo to me is similar to a boy that never grew even if pass 100 year´s. not sounding rude but it´s the truth.
# 3- You are not starting.you are a drama queen.girl,in which school you have learned ? are you a actress ? :P
Haha! :P
I meant that 2D Mario never changed.
And 3D Mario games were always kind of similar.
I'm not a Mario fan, but I play them anyway. Mario fans are really happy, they get like 10 Mario games each generation!
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To be fair, say what you will about Mario, but the gameplay is always finely tuned. What really hurt iga and his castlevanias later on was how unpolished the combat and other gameplay elements felt. After a while, it just felt like he was trying to cover them up with various gimmicks such as the soul system or union, or such.
Playing mario doesn't really get tedious for me, for it is always a thrill to play. Castlevania on the other hand....needs a few breaks to get through it.
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But I'm defending that aspect of Mario games. That they never changed it. That's why I respect Nintendo, because they never betrayed their saga.
I personally find Mario too childish for my tastes, but I recognize they are excellent games, and play them anyway because the gameplay is fun.
I was not attacking Mario, but rather putting it as a good example of how a company must take its saga, doing what they always did and never changing the core of it.
You can play the latest 2D Mario, or the oldest one; and at its core, they are the same.
And that's a good thing.
That's why I used the Mario example.
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But I'm defending that aspect of Mario games. That they never changed it. That's why I respect Nintendo, because they never betrayed their saga.
I personally find Mario too childish for my tastes, but I recognize they are excellent games, and play them anyway because the gameplay is fun.
I was not attacking Mario, but rather putting it as a good example of how a company must take its saga, doing what they always did and never changing the core of it.
You can play the latest 2D Mario, or the oldest one; and at its core, they are the same.
And that's a good thing.
That's why I used the Mario example.
ehh.. I'm more of a zelda fan mario is not bad I do have most of the main games, but I'll pick zelda over mario anyday.
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But I'm defending that aspect of Mario games. That they never changed it. That's why I respect Nintendo, because they never betrayed their saga.
I agree with you, lady, in some manner. Playing LoS for the first chapters, I don´t like too much how the ambience is. But, after Wygol Village, its become more interesting... but...
I still don´t like the "reboot" idea. I can´t erase from my mind the infamous phrase "forget all you know about Castlevania", to then see names and places from former CV games (specially, IGA ones). And the Dracula´s origin (being Gabriel, the protagonist), and the Trevor/Alucard relationship, I feel not necessary (although, becoming from Mercury Steam, its understandable this last one). Taking the Mario example, imagine a Mario reboot, with Mario becoming Bowser. I know that its a ludicrous example, but the point that I want to express, is that if fans were tired of IGAvanias elements (gameplay, art style, story), then let intact Castlevania most iconics ones: MUSIC, enemies, bosses, ambience... DRACULA.
And I insist, I like LoS as a game, not a CV one, but as a good game. If the plans were always to be a trilogy (LoS-MoF-LoS2), I don´t know why to put the Castlevania name in the game. I would prefer a new IP, with resembles and maybe have Easter Eggs from Castlevania. Maybe like Maximo was for Ghost n´Goblins. But, this is just my opinion...
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I agree with you Mike, except I usually don't like modern games, so I can't see anything attractive in LoS.
But yes, don't change the core of the saga. Especially MUSIC.
They can make a CV1 clone every year with new stages and music and everyone would be happy, I think.
Neobelmont, I agree with you also.
Zelda over Mario anytime!
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Mario always has new great level designs, if not mechanics plus great level designs.
Castlevania in the IGA age has always had pretty good combat, but outside of SotN, the platforming has been less than engaging on it's own with endless flat hallways and corridors plaguing the overall map. The combat is fine, hasn't changed much from it's basic core, and has been pretty consistent. The problem is that the combat is the majority of the gameplay, due to the downsizing on emphasis for level design. What they need to do in order to really progress things is being back some older elements like Whip Swinging, and something new perhaps, to enhance the level design and possibilities.
Order of Ecclesia started to do this, with the magnus glyph and a few others. You can even see this trend continue in Harmony of Despair, despite being a horrible game, there was a noticeable increased focus on platforming and puzzles in the level design with complementing character abilities (such as Julius and the 8-way whipping). This was definitely a step in the right direction. Mirror of Fate seems to attempt this, but the whip segments are very automated and have a distinct lack of control to them. This kind of scripted gameplay detracts from player control, and over all, detracts from the gameplay itself being the reward for the player. Less control leads to less fulfillment, and sense of accomplishment.
This also goes for the 'glowing edges' and scripted edge traversing segments. Right along with this, the context sensitive triggering of fall damage greatly impedes on player experimentation and freedom. There are plenty of ways to get around this through good level design, but they didn't follow that model. Though Mirror of Fate's approach is technically a step in the right direction, it needs to give the player more of a role in the actions like Super Castlevania IV and Order of Ecclesia did.
I believe, in terms of this, that Order of Ecclesia as a game offers more in a whole than Mirror of Fate has in series progression, especially where platforming is concerned.
This is the primary reason I really wanted to see how IGA would take this one step further to continue the growth of the series and bring it back more to the platforming roots than previous installments of the IGA era had been.
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I too wanted to see how IGA would continue the evolution of the series, but still I'm waiting.
OoE did A LOT of things right.
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Unfortunately, It was too late. :\
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No, its not. IGA isnt dead.
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He's Peter Parker, Spiderman, made in Marvel
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fardetroya.com.ar%2Fwp-content%2Fimagenes%2Ferman_negro.jpg&hash=b35f570d1af212469caa510dde86fddad2190365)
LOS is Castlevania, made in Konami
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As long as Iga is still around, it's never too late.
Who would have tell that there would be 2 new 8-bit Megaman titles.
But here they are.
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Fortunately IGA does not return, there will be others, but not him.
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I too wanted to see how IGA would continue the evolution of the series, but still I'm waiting.
OoE did A LOT of things right.
Difficulty being one of them amen.
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Fortunately IGA does not return, there will be others, but not him.
Cool to know, they already have floating skates and live in Mars there in the future? Dr. Brown is fine?
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No, its not. IGA isnt dead.
I seriously doubt him coming back any time soon. And in fact I'd prefer him not too.
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I seriously doubt him coming back any time soon. And in fact I'd prefer him not too.
Same here. His method was so backward. He develops the game first then shoe-horns it into the timeline. Not the way to do it. The way it should be done is: 1)come up with a concept, 2)look at the established timeline, 3)pick a spot, 4)alter your concept to fit the spot you picked on the timeline, 5)make the game.
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Cool to know, they already have floating skates and live in Mars there in the future? Dr. Brown is fine?
Hahaha!
Funny and great! :)
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I would love me some vanillaware 2d cv. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here -_-'
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I too wanted to see how IGA would continue the evolution of the series, but still I'm waiting.
He continued. He made the worst and the laziest game ever. Judgment and Despair. While I wish his departure was a little more.. decorous, I can't blame Konami for doubing him.
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Judgement isn't lazy (apart from Time Reaper, but atleast they didn't do copypasta like in the other games), Despair is (atleast they did some new sprites for Julius, but I've doubts that they didn't have been draw when DoS has been produced)
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Judgement isn't lazy (apart from Time Reaper, but atleast they didn't do copypasta like in the other games), Despair is (atleast they did some new sprites for Julius, but I've doubts that they didn't have been draw when DoS has been produced)
Despair is lazy, Judgment is bad :P
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At least judgment gave us Sypha and her sacred gifts ;D
Love saying that.
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At least judgment gave us Sypha and her sacred gifts ;D
Love saying that.
Why are hers so bigger than mine?
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Why are hers so bigger than mine?
I would hope so :P
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Why are hers so bigger than mine?
Because the devs love Sypha more than you? hehehe.
Well, they got Rondo's Maria so she really is young at that time.
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Sypha's are bigger than anyone's :P
As much as I kinda like despise everything, I have to give you that. Despair is lazy, and Judgment is not what I want in CV.
What I meant is that I wanted to see how the next MetroidVania would have come out, after OoE did so many things in the right direction.
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What I meant is that I wanted to see how the next MetroidVania would have come out, after OoE did so many things in the right direction.
We want a new Metroidvania. Will our wish be granted by the powers that be?
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Honestly? I'm willing to bet he just got lucky with OoE. The right combination of a GOOD visual style, and a NON-INTRUSIVE gimmick, which makes the weapons gameplay similar to the SoTN format of different weapons. And an alright story because there was a large gap that there was no issue tossing something in there, which happened to make sense. It's not that IGA can't make good Castlevania games, it's just that A) he sucks at sequels, B) his gimmick driven development process, (gimmick first, story later) tends to bite his games in the ass, and C) his constant reuse of SC4, Rondo and SoTN Assets gets old real fast. (directly ripping the save room from SoTN for HoD is completely unforgivable)
(apart from Time Reaper, but atleast they didn't do copypasta like in the other games)
Still ridiculously lazy. And completely strange and out of place, too, considering up till that point, everything else is original, from scratch, yet for some reason, it's like they got to the Time reaper, and IGA just suddenly got a compulsive need to reuse an asset.
But you know, those aren't even the reasons I don't want him back. (Though they factor in)
It's that he has had his run, and we don't need more of the same. It's time to move on from the IGA era, and get different people involved. Different points of view, different ideas, different visions.
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Who is in for a new full MetroidVania developed by another studio?
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He continued. He made the worst and the laziest game ever. Judgment and Despair. While I wish his departure was a little more.. decorous, I can't blame Konami for doubing him.
They doubt him? You're kidding, right? Judgment may have flopped but Despair (of all games) was a huge success. It's one of the highest selling games on PSN.
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You seem to invest a lot into your arguments. If you didn't, you wouldn't spend the time continuously having them. I, personally, find that even more pointless than investing into a fictional universe that you like (which I don't find pointless at all), because I doubt you've changed even one person's mind with them.
Changing minds was never my objective. Making people think - that what I am trying to do.
I don't see point in investing yourself into fictional reality to the point you feel yourself utterly devastated by its changing. Considering, that you personally can't do anything about changes in the series, unfavourable changes are expected from time to time. There is something: you must understand what you can and what you can't change and react accordingly.
Only very passionate and invested people can understand that. From a logical point of view there's no way of putting it into words.
I am passionate person, but I am striving to understand, that sometimes all my passion is useless to change things and there is no point to completely invest everything in fiction. As long as it's not my fiction.
First of all, good question. However, I'd like to know why you think that a Castlevania game by Platinum would have Twin Snakes syndrome? Did they work on that game?
As far as I know, all their games make spectacular use of over the top effects, that could be compared to the MGS treatment by Kitamura.
Team IGA up with Platinum. Say what you want about IGA, but that man has a very long history with Castlevania now
It doesn't mean, that it was a good history.
Never forget that Lords of Shit was never even supposed to be a Castlevania game anyway
Wrong.
They can make a CV1 clone every year with new stages and music and everyone would be happy, I think.
Many people want to see more from Castlevania series, then clones.
No, its not. IGA isnt dead.
It is too late. IGA's work was heavily compromised by cloning, useless gimmicks and general absence of creativity and polish. OOE was step in the right direction, but it was only right step after series of stumbles and it was not enough to salvage "metroidvania" direction.
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Who is in for a new full MetroidVania developed by another studio?
I'd love to see WayForward tackle this. But I'd also want to see them produce a Classicvania as well.
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Changing minds was never my objective. Making people think - that what I am trying to do.
I don't see point in investing yourself into fictional reality to the point you feel yourself utterly devastated by its changing. Considering, that you personally can't do anything about changes in the series, unfavourable changes are expected from time to time. There is something: you must understand what you can and what you can't change and react accordingly.
Utterly devastated?
Not really. But Konami and Mercury Steam are doing a good job of utterly devastating my interest in new Castlevania games : p
And it is shame to see something that was once so rich, colorful, and exciting, become so bland, monotone, generic and boring. Has that stricken me to the point where I can't properly function as a human being? No, but it's certainly not something that I think is good. I also like to think that people like me blasting about LoS is a contributing factor to Dave Cox and crew wanting to get away from Castlevania. He is a defensive person in interviews, and it isn't hard to figure out why. So yes, I think it actually does do some practical good and I can do my part to work toward changing things : D
Who is in for a new full MetroidVania developed by another studio?
That sounds lovely. I love Metroidvania games when they're done really well.
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Who is in for a new full MetroidVania developed by another studio?
Perhaps I really got bored of the ds ones, maybe a new studio is what it needs heck I popped in Cotm a day ago and dat catacombs music 8) . In my opinion Cotm is one of the best MVs, but I still stick too a new classicvania and hearing on-line about how difficult it is and how so much people would be getting game over screens ahh that is music to my ears. ;)
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In my opinion Cotm is one of the best MVs, but I still stick too a new classicvania and hearing on-line about how difficult it is and how so much people would be getting game over screens ahh that is music to my ears. ;)
You are describing Albus in Hard Mode, CotM is for kids if compared with it. Yeah I still continue this torture because I like hard games, even the unfair ones lol
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Dave Cox and crew wanting to get away from Castlevania
Wasn't he pretty adamant about "not being mr Castlevania" even before loS was released? or around the time of it's release or something? I recall him from the start not wanting to be tied to the series
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Utterly devastated?
Not really. But Konami and Mercury Steam are doing a good job of utterly devastating my interest in new Castlevania games : p
And it is shame to see something that was once so rich, colorful, and exciting, become so bland, monotone, generic and boring. Has that stricken me to the point where I can't properly function as a human being? No, but it's certainly not something that I think is good.
You sound exactly like I did several years ago, after watching the Castlevania series undergo another major shift in tone, aesthetic and gameplay when IGA had assumed full control. My enthusiasm for a series I had once loved had been steadily drifting away after a few years with IGA at the helm. I had a moment when I bought Curse of Darkness, tried to get myself into it, but then realized that nothing in that game has anything to do with the Castlevania that I grew up with and came to love, even as it tried to invoke nostalgia by using a character from one of my favorite games, Trevor (kind of like the new Lords game does). Rather than making me like Curse of Darkness more, I instead thought of the inclusion of Trevor and the "adding on" to the CVIII story was more blasphemous than anything else... probably the same way you feel about how they are reusing old character names now but in different ways.
At some point later I accepted that the Castlevania series had just passed me by, and the sense of magic and wonder I got from games like the original NES trilogy, Super Castlevania IV, Belmont's Revenge, Bloodlines, Symphony, and even Circle and CV64 to an extent, was gone. The series had moved in a different direction from what I wanted, and that's that. To many, that new direction is what drew people to the series. Games like Harmony of Dissonance, which made me groan and roll my eyes in disappointment at some of its style and gameplay elements, is considered by many fans one of the best games in the series. It's just not my cup of tea; it's not the CV that I grew up with. So it's really all just a matter of perspective.
Well, now Castlevania has undergone another major change, and trust me, it's not going back, no matter what you tell yourself now. Best to just accept it, and enjoy the specific era of Castlevania history that you like best, and let the new generation of fans enjoy Lords of Shadow.
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You sound exactly like I did several years ago, after watching the Castlevania series undergo another major shift in tone, aesthetic and gameplay when IGA had assumed full control. My enthusiasm for a series I had once loved had been steadily drifting away after a few years with IGA at the helm. I had a moment when I bought Curse of Darkness, tried to get myself into it, but then realized that nothing in that game has anything to do with the Castlevania that I grew up with and came to love, even as it tried to invoke nostalgia by using a character from one of my favorite games, Trevor (kind of like the new Lords game does). Rather than making me like Curse of Darkness more, I instead thought of the inclusion of Trevor and the "adding on" to the CVIII story was more blasphemous than anything else... probably the same way you feel about how they are reusing old character names now but in different ways.
+1. Totally agree that Curse of Darkness was a horrible sequel to Castlevania 3!
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Well, now Castlevania has undergone another major change, and trust me, it's not going back, no matter what you tell yourself now. Best to just accept it, and enjoy the specific era of Castlevania history that you like best, and let the new generation of fans enjoy Lords of Shadow.
Not going back to what? A Harmony of Dissonance styled IGA game? That's fine. I didn't become a Castlevania fan because of IGA games. They're not required for me to enjoy Castlevania. Castlevania might not go back to that, but I am confident it's going to move on from what it is now once Dave Cox and Mercury Steam are out of the way. What will come then? I haven't the foggiest, but I seriously doubt it will resemble Lords of Shadow, and that is a plus in my book! So, I look forward to the future with hope. I'm just waiting for these MS games to get out the way so we can see what's next, as I have no positive interest in them. Hopefully whatever is next won't be lame.
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I haven't the foggiest, but I seriously doubt it will resemble Lords of Shadow, and that is a plus in my book!
Judgement? Dawn of Sorrow?
Saying things like: "eveyrting better, then LOS" is like digging grave for the series. Since as latest decade have proved - not everything which has IGA or Japanese crew on board, came out as good Castlevania games. So, be careful, what you wish for...
And it is shame to see something that was once so rich, colorful, and exciting, become so bland, monotone, generic and boring.
This is where I am heavily disagree. The latest pre-LOS games ('cept for OOE) were colourful, but weren't exciting and rich, but they certainly were generic, bland and mostly boring. SOTN clonage wasn't good for the health of the series. At all.
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Judgement? Dawn of Sorrow?
Saying things like: "eveyrting better, then LOS" is like digging grave for the series. Since as latest decade have proved - not everything which has IGA or Japanese crew on board, came out as good Castlevania games. So, be careful, what you wish for...
This is where I am heavily disagree. The latest pre-LOS games ('cept for OOE) were colourful, but weren't exciting and rich, but they certainly were generic, bland and mostly boring. SOTN clonage wasn't good for the health of the series. At all.
Now I can tell that you're just arguing for the sake of arguing because you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't mention anything about Judgment or Dawn of Sorrow being better than Lords of Shadow. Not that I'm saying I don't feel that way or I do, but it's a non-issue, because I never said that.
The argument is pointless. It is for me, anyway, because no matter how many times it is said, certain people just can't seem to get it through their skulls that just because some might dislike LoS, does not mean they give a free pass for every bad game IGA or some Japanese team made. Maybe some people do. I don't. Lords of Shadow haters are not one big homogenous group. You're talking to individuals here, so don't approach me like someone else you may have conversed with. I have my own opinions. Not theirs, so please do not act like you know how I think. And even then, what you're alluding to probably isn't even most people's opinions, but rather incorrect assumptions from some Lords of Shadow fans that all of the people who don't like that sub-series are sheepish IGA worshipers who believe he can do no wrong and who only enjoy his games and only want the series to go back to them.
Yeah, there were some bad games before LoS. LoS is bad, too. That's why I want to see something new, and hopefully good.
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Not going back to what? A Harmony of Dissonance styled IGA game? That's fine. I didn't become a Castlevania fan because of IGA games. They're not required for me to enjoy Castlevania. Castlevania might not go back to that, but I am confident it's going to move on from what it is now once Dave Cox and Mercury Steam are out of the way. What will come then? I haven't the foggiest, but I seriously doubt it will resemble Lords of Shadow, and that is a plus in my book! So, I look forward to the future with hope. I'm just waiting for these MS games to get out the way so we can see what's next, as I have no positive interest in them. Hopefully whatever is next won't be lame.
That also sounds just like me from a few years ago. When I first started seeing glimpses and hearing things about Lords of Shadow, I was very optimistic about it. It wasn't because Lords looked like it was moving back in a direction closer to the CV I loved, because it didn't look that way. However, I was so tired of the direction things had gone in for so many years, I figured ANY big change was a good change. So there is always hope for change and a new direction someday. I am sure sooner or later Cox and MS will become just another chapter in the Castlevania series' past, just like IGA is.
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The argument is pointless. It is for me, anyway, because no matter how many times it is said, certain people just can't seem to get it through their skulls that just because some might dislike LoS, does not mean they give a free pass for every bad game IGA or some Japanese team made. You're talking to individuals here, so don't approach me like someone else you may have conversed with. I have my own opinions. Not theirs, so please do not act like you know how I think. And even then, what you're alluding to probably isn't even most people's opinions, but rather incorrect assumptions from some Lords of Shadow fans that all of the people who don't like that sub-series are sheepish IGA worshipers who believe he can do no wrong and who only enjoy his games and only want the series to go back to them.
People, who actually dislike LOS and doesn't argue only pro-IGA'vanias, are in minority.
It's not my problem, that the most vocal LOS-haters are, also, usually rabid pro-IGAvanias supporters. They have given such stigma to the fanbase, so all questions to them. ;)
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People, who actually dislike LOS and doesn't argue only pro-IGA'vanias, are in minority.
It's not my problem, that the most vocal LOS-haters are, also, usually rabid pro-IGAvanias supporters. They have given such stigma to the fanbase, so all questions to them. ;)
It is your problem when you make baseless blanket statements about another person just because you're personally frustrated with a fraction of the fanbase. It's demeaning and not conducive to entering any sort of constructive dialogue. If the level of discourse surrounding the topic isn't what you'd like, putting a stop to unfounded assumptions about the other party should be the first step in rectifying the issue, not coy handwaving.
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People, who actually dislike LOS and doesn't argue only pro-IGA'vanias, are in minority.
It's not my problem, that the most vocal LOS-haters are, also, usually rabid pro-IGAvanias supporters. They have given such stigma to the fanbase, so all questions to them. ;)
You see?
Its attitudes like this that keep Jorge on your case around here and has had you on thin ice for so long.
Your simply to pretentious and full of yourself for your own good and think that anyone who dislikes LOS is some kind of rabid IGA fantard and your ego just won't let you believe otherwise.
Your severe dislike for IGA and rabid love for LOS clouds your thoughts in my opinion.
You also seem to be under the impression that a lot of your opinions are fact with lines like
People, who actually dislike LOS and doesn't argue only pro-IGA'vanias, are in minority.
Your attitude stifles discussion and makes people steer away from having any worthwhile discussion with you since you obviously have a very broad outlook on most of the people who do not share your love for LOS.
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Im disappointed Sumac, do you really think that about us? Hau auu~ :(
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Seriously Sumac, you just got back onto the Dungeon. If anything, being booted off for a month should've taught you that your ego was boarder-line out of control. A person's ego that's left unchecked does nothing to help nor benefit them. It ruins them, manipulates them, and eventually destroys them as a person. Are you really okay with self-destruction so long as you get everyone in the world to only see thing your way? It's not healthy for you and I know you can be much better then this. Everyone who's here wants to be here because we all have something in common. Don't ruin yourself in other people's eyes anymore then you already have. It's just not worth it.
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Soul saving monologue and a lot of generalisation. And all for my expense. ;D
For few next weeks I'll stay away from such conversations, I have some serious work to do.
Not that I will forget that. ;)
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Soul saving monologue and a lot of generalisation. And all for my expense. ;D
For few next weeks I'll stay away from such conversations, I have some serious work to do.
Not that I will forget that. ;)
Great way to show that there simply is no change in you.
You have been warned and banned for your huge ego and pretentious attitude and you STILL do not care.
Wonder when the staff will finally have enough..
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On the lords of shadows series that they are the best i played in my life and no game can stand to the lords of shadows games.
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On the lords of shadows series that they are the best i played in my life and no game can stand to the lords of shadows games.
Only one question for you my friend, how much did you get paid from Cox to start talking all this bullshit or maybe you are Cox and didn't like the critics about MoF and you've started raiding forums posting all that crap?
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Calm down Dark Nemesis, maybe he is young and didn't played another CV games. :P
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As always, the fanboys of igarashi defend, i did not play castlevanias when igarashi started making games for girls, i return to play castlevanias when castlevania return to epic story, with lords of shadows, but i know the old games, some of the old games, they are the ok, but today they are passed of fashion, lords of shadows is the idea of old games make in 3d, if they make a game today like the old games of castlevania it looks old like the game that come out in the wii, that don't work with gaming of today, lords of shadows is the only way.
Cox don't pay me, and i'm not cox, but luckyly for me i know him when i wanted to have autograph of him and i congratulate him for making the best castlevania in the history, is lords of shadows.
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Did you played any N64 Castlevania game?
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On the lords of shadows series that they are the best i played in my life and no game can stand to the lords of shadows games.
hi dave!
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How does he have a respect rating of -31 with only 21 posts? That's just amazing.
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He is Sindra from the mirror world.
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He is Sindra from the mirror world.
No... Just... no.
Sindra is a whole lot better IMO mirror or not :P ;)
How does he have a respect rating of -31 with only 21 posts? That's just amazing.
Nah it's not. With the way of how he is representing himself it's no shocker.
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No... Just... no.
Sindra is a whole lot better IMO mirror or not :P ;)
Teehee, silly, it seems that you never visited the mirror world. :)
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If you're talking about the Bizarro world then I see what you mean.
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Quote from: Sumac on March 18, 2013, 05:52:43 PM (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php?topic=5851.msg128108#msg128108)
Soul saving monologue and a lot of generalisation. And all for my expense. ;D
For few next weeks I'll stay away from such conversations, I have some serious work to do.
Not that I will forget that. ;)
I grow tired of this... and I'm sick of hoping you will change your ways.
Goodbye, hopefully forever.
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hi dave!
I don't think even Dave would say such things and besides Cox does have an account here.
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Quote from: Sumac on March 18, 2013, 05:52:43 PM (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php?topic=5851.msg128108#msg128108)Soul saving monologue and a lot of generalisation. And all for my expense. ;D
For few next weeks I'll stay away from such conversations, I have some serious work to do.
Not that I will forget that. ;)
I grow tired of this... and I'm sick of hoping you will change your ways.
Goodbye, hopefully forever.
Noooo Not Sumac :C
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Quote from: Sumac on March 18, 2013, 05:52:43 PM (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php?topic=5851.msg128108#msg128108)Soul saving monologue and a lot of generalisation. And all for my expense. ;D
For few next weeks I'll stay away from such conversations, I have some serious work to do.
Not that I will forget that. ;)
I grow tired of this... and I'm sick of hoping you will change your ways.
Goodbye, hopefully forever.
cool you've banned someone for doing the reverse of what everyone else on this forum does: snarky comments towards the LoS series
check your topic list lately?
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cool you've banned someone for doing the reverse of what everyone else on this forum does: snarky comments towards the LoS series
check your topic list lately?
Let's say Sumac was not the most rational arguer on the board. It's not about his views, they are quite similar to mine, actually, and there was a time I was getting sumac'ed but I began a retrospect change and started the task of building bridges, not throwing pitchforks, to arguments. I¿ll miss him, but what can you do, he was warned, after all.
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He was banned for how much time Jorge?
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Let's say Sumac was not the most rational arguer on the board. It's not about his views, they are quite similar to mine, actually, and there was a time I was getting sumac'ed but I began a retrospect change and started the task of building bridges, not throwing pitchforks, to arguments. I¿ll miss him, but what can you do, he was warned, after all.
there are numerous posts and topics made as recently as today that are far more inflammatory than his but okay.
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there are numerous posts and topics made as recently as today that are far more inflammatory than his but okay.
Really?
Show me some comments on the "other side of the fence" so to speak, that have the same tone and attitude as Sumac's.
As Ahasverus pointed out, he to had a similar attitude but learned to actually change his ways by getting his points across without the need to downplay or disrespect other members opinions.
Also as Ahasverus said, he was warned and even banned for his attitude.
So don't make it seem like this was a unjust call from Jorge.
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To say the truth that surprised me, since its a post from March 18 and we are in 23 March (atleast at my regional time) I thought that day that he would be banned, but after passing some days without a ban and he only posting reviews and musics I thought that he only received a last warning or something like that.
Its not a objection or something like that, the moderators and Jorge know what to do, but Im really surprise.
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Really?
Show me some comments on the "other side of the fence" so to speak, that have the same tone and attitude as Sumac's.
As Ahasverus pointed out, he to had a similar attitude but learned to actually change his ways by getting his points across without the need to downplay or disrespect other members opinions.
Also as Ahasverus said, he was warned and even banned for his attitude.
So don't make it seem like this was a unjust call from Jorge.
show you some comments? really? how about the mirror of fate topic where someone says they like it more than OoE and they get jumped on? theres numerous examples on this forum.
how is what sumac says any worse than what Pfil does?
do we need another topic about how much someone dislikes LoS?
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show you some comments? really? how about the mirror of fate topic where someone says they like it more than OoE and they get jumped on? theres numerous examples on this forum.
how is what sumac says any worse than what Pfil does?
do we need another topic about how much someone dislikes LoS?
I saw that topic, and I only saw people disagreeing with him on certain aspects such as his claim of OOE being nothing but a "button masher".
It wasn't because he liked Mirror of Fate more, it was because of that claim that many people disagreed.
There was 1 guy who got out of hand with it (he knows who he is) but other than that you should not make it seem like he got jumped simply because he liked Mirror of Fate more.
And like I said, Sumac is a "repeat offender" of such a attitude, he has been warned for it and banned for it in the past.
But instead of learning from it he kept the same attitude.
He was warned before, he had a chance and he blew it.
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@meanguyjones,
Why does Sumac getting banned bothering you so much? You can just ignore the situation like most people do
If you're here to dispute the rules & conduct of other members then that's your call, but Jorge prolly won't tolerate it
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how is what sumac says any worse than what Pfil does?
Dont involve Pfil in that pal, she never said anything to offend anyone and even so have been "-1ed" here when she joined the forum without reason, leave her alone dude, since she have already been treated bad without doing anything wrong. I like Sumac too, but trying to pin things in another users wont will make Jorge unban him, since he have been warned before.
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@meanguyjones,
Why does Sumac getting banned bothering you so much? You can just ignore the situation like most people do
If you're here to dispute the rules & conduct of other members then that's your call, but Jorge prolly won't tolerate it
because hes supplied this forum with good gameplay, debates, and arguments.
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because hes supplied this forum with good gameplay, debates, and arguments.
If I kill 100 people but build a city with my money for the people, I deserve to be free or go to jail? Its a harsh example, but maybe you understood.
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If I kill 100 people but build a city with my money for the people, I deserve to be free or go to jail? Its a harsh example, but maybe you understood.
hes done nothing worse than what happens on this forums on a daily basis
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Ehh Sumac is banned again and looking at the comments ehh. I'll pass on this one, excuse me folks. Up,up and away!
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I'm personally rather fond of Sumac and his 'tude. I was never offended or bothered by it. Just part of his personality. I find it a unique character trait. It doesnt warrant all the flack it gets, IMO. He's not nearly as inflammatory as his bad rap would suggest. His snark is easily ignorable.
I tend to agree with him on some things, and I find his views (and CV reviews) to be good reads and stuff.
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I'm personally rather fond of Sumac and his 'tude. I was never offended or bothered by it. Just part of his personality. I find it a unique character trait. It doesnt warrant all the flack it gets, IMO. He's not nearly as inflammatory as his bad rap would suggest. His snark is easily ignorable.
I tend to agree with him on some things, and I find his views (and CV reviews) to be good reads and stuff.
So you like a attitude that belittles and puts down others opinions?
Not trying to pick a fight, but that would actually say a lot about what type of person you yourself are in my opinion.
How anyone could be fond of that type of attitude is beyond me.
It doesn't help discussions, it only harms them and inflames them which is why Jorge has warned and banned him in the past.
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I've just never really been bothered by it. I'm not the kind of person who easily gets upset. I'm very difficult to get upset. I just ignore or shrug those things off. Like I said, I just find it a part of his personality, and aside from it, he's alright. I've probably just seen worse, more blatantly inflammatory behavior on other forums, so it just doesn't seem that bad to me. (Or forums where nobody really cares about that kind of attitude and just roll with it)
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I've just never really been bothered by it. I'm not the kind of person who easily gets upset. I'm very difficult to get upset. I just ignore or shrug those things off. Like I said, I just find it a part of his personality, and aside from it, he's alright. I've probably just seen worse, more blatantly inflammatory behavior on other forums, so it just doesn't seem that bad to me. (Or forums where nobody really cares about that kind of attitude)
Its great that you have such restraint, but a lot of other members do not and thus a attitude such as his will only make those members defensive for their views that are being belittled and thus the discussion will go downhill.
It has happened many times in the past, and should Sumac ever return with the same attitude it will again.
But alas, this is all offtopic, we should end this discussion now, I myself am about to go to bed and I'm sure Jorge will not like this constant discussion regarding a member he just banned.
He was warned in the past, and now he is banned, we really should drop it here.
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>_> Weeeell, a little discussion on a banee isn't nessecarily a bad thing, but it is derailing the topic... (and I'd hate to get on Jorge's bad side)
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I just want to say one thing. Someone mentioned me, but I want to state that I was always respectful and just expressing my opinions, which is the finality of the forum. I'm sure many users said what I said in previous months or years, but I'm relatively new here and I said what I felt, always without being disrespectful.
I've had some arguments, mainly one, with Sumac, but it was also within the limits of respect and tolerance of each other's opinions. Only once I could see that attitude they talk about, and I reacted, I think it was Jorge who jumped in, and so we continued to discuss respectfully, both of us, and in the end we calmly ended the debate, defending our points of view but accepting what each other thought.
A week after that, I was even reading his reviews, and talking with him about it.
I find them to be good reviews, by the way, though I may not agree with all of them, but they are good pieces of reading, and especially the N64 one was almost exactly what I think of the game.
I don't find him bothering or anything, I'm cool with him, and even, I believe he provides colour to the forum. If we all were saying the same things, this would be no fun, am I right? He also provides some good posting and materials in various topics.
I'm OK with him, his personal tastes and personality shouldn't be an obstacle in getting along together. All of us have personalities who can bother someone, but this is a nice community with all its variety and nice people.
I'm not with this judging Jorge's call, but I just wanted to clarify that I didn't do anything wrong and that I have nothing against him, but on the contrary.
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-1ing me wont will stop me from protecting someone that didn't do anything wrong, only letting you know this. Now we can return to the main conversation of this topic please?
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I won't be commenting on the posts above regarding the suspension/ban order.
Before the topic was relegated to that, there's this post.
I don't think even Dave would say such things and besides Cox does have an account here.
Eh? Really?!
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My two cents on this matter: forums aren't based on democracy. IF Jorge wants to ban him, it doesn't even matter the motives (but he has them).
Sumac is/was the only person on this forum in my ignore list.
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Eh? Really?!
Yes, it was just used for hype, though. I believe the only thing he did was say hi or something.
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Yes, it was just used for hype, though. I believe the only thing he did was say hi or something.
Oh yup. I found his name in the forums. 7 posts then he vanishes.
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hes done nothing worse than what happens on this forums on a daily basis
You are wrong, because most of his posts are insults to others.
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Oh yup. I found his name in the forums. 7 posts then he vanishes.
So that's him... Huh. he joined after me, but I somehow missed all his posts. Then again, considering it was like 7 uneventful posts... In a Lords of Shadow thread, that's not surprising.
Also, I think I tried to avoid the thread till I had bought and beaten LoS too... Hhhrrnng... bad memory... Can't remember... 404...
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That doesnt mean that its really him, anyone could create a account with his name for trolling.
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That doesnt mean that its really him, anyone could create a account with his name for trolling.
actually, at the time of him joining, I believe he said something about visiting the Castlevania forums in 1 of his tweets or interviews.
That is why it was believed to be him since this is the biggest castlevania forum on the net.
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Well, if that happened this way it becomes very difficult to doubt that then.
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He mentioned that the Vampire Killer music would be in the game for a stage, before anyone knew it. He mentioned the Konami Code would be there, (and it's not exactly like every single game from Konami uses it)
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I think he also mentioned that he told someone not to post some spoilers, but he himself posted spoilers.
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I think that was just him being sly. He knows full well what he discloses or doesn't disclose. He just threw us a bone is all.
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edit: nevermind *tasteless joke* >_____>;