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Did you notice?
« on: August 02, 2008, 09:57:56 PM »
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Have any of you noticed that in the cannon all female characters on the side of good seem to be some type of mage while the male characters all seem to be warriors?  Sure the male characters use magic, but they fight like warriors.  Where as the female characters seem to rely completely on magic. 

Am I wrong?
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Re: Did you notice?
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2008, 10:02:29 PM »
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Well... It just makes sense.  Males have a much higher level of natural physical strength and endurance.  The whole female warrior thing has always struck me as kind of odd.  Did you know that the world champion female boxer was easily defeated by an average male fighter?  He wasn't even that good in his circuit...  I'm sure I'll be called sexist for all this, but it's the truth.  Men are far better suited to the warrior role.
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2008, 10:28:27 PM »
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Tell that to the Amazons and watch as they enjoy eating your entrails.

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2008, 10:53:36 PM »
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Are you shitting me?  :o

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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2008, 11:13:10 PM »
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The amazons were mythology.  Silly mythology at that.  I know this is a video game, but I was talking in general, bringing in fictional references does little to argue against my point.
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2008, 11:17:55 PM »
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Have any of you noticed that in the cannon all female characters on the side of good seem to be some type of mage while the male characters all seem to be warriors?  Sure the male characters use magic, but they fight like warriors.  Where as the female characters seem to rely completely on magic. 

Am I wrong?

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Re: Did you notice?
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2008, 11:52:32 PM »
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Why not use fictional references for a fictional game?  :o

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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2008, 01:13:02 AM »
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Suspension of disbelief my friend.  you should not have to do it tooooo much, or it ruins any form of fiction.  Making a female able to fight all sorts of monster without magic is to much in the face of Dracula, werewolves, mummies, and what not.
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Re: Did you notice?
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2008, 01:18:28 AM »
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Considering vampires generally have more speed, powers and magic than a normal human being, a man shouldn't be able to stand up to them either, and yet they do. I don't see how a sex change is going too far.

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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2008, 01:32:12 AM »
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Depends on how much stronger they are.  And even so, a well skilled man would fare better in a fight.  I have my own little theory on how the Belmont's do what they do.  It involves generations of development.

I kind of saw it like this, each Belmont teaches their son everything they know.  When there son becomes the next Vampire Killer, he goes out and learns new things.  Then teaches everything his father taught him + what he learned on his own to his son.  That way the keep learning new fighting styles, weapons, acrobatics, occult information, etc...  That way each generation becomes better.  And figuring how it is at least a 12-13 year training process, the amount learned is vitually limitless.  Power and strength will get you far, but if it works this way by the time Trevor fought dracula (not to mention after) they had aqcuired so much fighting skill, training technique, weapoinry skills, knowledge, etc... that they would be able to stand against a seemingly unstoppable foe.
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Re: Did you notice?
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2008, 01:52:31 AM »
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A skilled woman can do as good, it depends on how they lived, if they trained, raw talent, and other such things. I don't doubt that a man can get stronger than a woman, I think its proven somewhere too. But I don't see how a woman character should be completely discarded in a fictional story. It definitely isn't any more believable that only a guy can be a warrior.

There are female fighters in the past. Not a whole lot, but there are some.

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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2008, 02:03:04 AM »
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Suspension of disbelief my friend.

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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2008, 04:26:21 AM »
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Stop putting words in my mouth.  I am not scared or appalled or anything by it.  i just think it doesn't make much sense.  Males are better suited to be warriors, it is just a fact.  Look at history, and see the ratio.  And underlining that part means you just don't understand what i am saying or are just using this because you have nothing else.  You always have suspension of disbelief in fiction, but that does not mean anything unrealistic works.  In Castlevania it is set up like this...

The real world, BUT monsters and magic are real.  That in no way altars the likelyhood of female warriors.  Males and Females are suited to different thing in every species that has both sexes.  In humans, fighting, and just about every skill applied to warriors is more suited towards males.  Calling me sexist for that is like calling me sexist for saying all male dogs are on top during sex.  I don't think men are any better than women, but you're fooling yourself if you think women are just as able in everything as men, and vice versa.

And fiction with human vs. vampire has been around for literally thousands of years.  Wanna hit a little closer to home?  Read any Conan (the inspiration for the belmont's) stories (by Robert E. Howard) He fights monsters, vampires, and all kinds of magical things without magic.  Castlevania doing this is nothing new.
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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2008, 05:24:03 AM »
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...i just think it doesn't make much sense.
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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2008, 05:49:54 AM »
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No, it's not an opinion.  I am talking about a 99% of males vs. 99% of females.  Of course there are exceptions, there are exceptions in everything.  Posting a pic of sophitia means nothing, she can fight people like Astoroth and nightmare because... Namco says so.

And need I remind you that she was beaten by cervantes/soul edge in soul blade.  And who was the one to kill cervantes/sou edge siegfried.  Ya...

If you take any male or female at birth and raise them for physical prowess, the male will be better suited to it.  it's just basic genetics.  males build muscle much faster, and much more effieciently than females.  Saying the only thing one can do and the other can't is child birth IS SEXIST.  Yes males can't give birth, but you are only dealing in absolutes.  I did not say males can do this famels can't.  I made it insanely clear that males are MUCH BETTER SUITED to being warriors.  My reference about the boxer is good enough.  The best female boxer in the world was effortlessly beaten by an average male boxer.  What more proof is needed?

It's just nature man, males are better at some things, females are better at some things.  Some species (elephants come to mind) have stronger more able fighting females.  Humans, just aren't one of them it is the reverse.

And no... you really just don't understand the principle behind suspension of disbelief.  just because there are monsters and magic does not mean that a woman would be any more capable physically than a man.  Any man who had gone through at least one fourth of her physical training would easily surpass her because males just build muscle faster, and can build more of it.

I am sure the Belmont's use some magical items, but overall they were supposed to be physical warriors.  And like I said with the Conan reference, stories with non magical beings defeating magical ones has been around long before this series.

My point being this... Yes, a female could be a warrior (it's rare but like I said, there are always exceptions).  But fact is, a male warrior would be better suited.  Men are better at some things, Women are better at some things.  Strength, fighting, and almost all physical exertions are things males just excel at far more than females.
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