Topic: I knew it! Castlevania: Lords of Shadow!(SPOILERS HERE, PLZ USE THE SPOILER TAG)

[Flame]

Jesus I dont know why I even bothered bringing it up. Nobody even understood what i was saying until i had to spell it out.

I wasnt arguing the essence of LoS, just the title. if its titled Castlevania, it's part of the Castlevania series. Thats what i meant. As to its content, while I may like LoS, im not saying everyone else should. opinions are opinions and I was never arguing that.

[cecil-kain]

The problem here, Flame, is you're arguing a label, while those of us that scorn LoS as a true successor to the CV franchise are arguing essence. By your logic if Konami packaged a remote-control chicken and a bunch of paper zombies we could peck at and labeled it "Castlevania: Serenade of Cluck", it would be a true CV game. I'm just calling it like it is to me. It felt like I was playing PoP+GoW, which isn't a bad thing. And like others have said, LoS was good enough to stand on it's own as a franchise, but just as Konami did with Silent Hill 4 & 5, they slapped a popular label on a perfectly good stand alone game for the sake of profit. That shows a lack of confidence in the content they choose to publish. That's what puts me off the most.

This.

Also.  ROFLMAO!  Castlevania: Serenade of Cluck!

[darkwzrd4]

The problem here, Flame, is you're arguing a label, while those of us that scorn LoS as a true successor to the CV franchise are arguing essence. By your logic if Konami packaged a remote-control chicken and a bunch of paper zombies we could peck at and labeled it "Castlevania: Serenade of Cluck", it would be a true CV game. I'm just calling it like it is to me. It felt like I was playing PoP+GoW, which isn't a bad thing. And like others have said, LoS was good enough to stand on it's own as a franchise, but just as Konami did with Silent Hill 4 & 5, they slapped a popular label on a perfectly good stand alone game for the sake of profit. That shows a lack of confidence in the content they choose to publish. That's what puts me off the most.

Now that's funny!!!  Yes, it may be called castlevania, but it's essence is not.  As I have said, like many of us, LoS is a great game, but doesn't feel like a "true castlevania".  It would probably get a lot more respect if it was treated as its own franchise separate from CV. 

Again, that remark by Inncubus made is hilarious.  Castlevania: Serenade of Cluck.  Why do I get the sense that someone will try to make a game based off of this?

[Lumas]

Now that's funny!!!  Yes, it may be called castlevania, but it's essence is not.  As I have said, like many of us, LoS is a great game, but doesn't feel like a "true castlevania".  It would probably get a lot more respect if it was treated as its own franchise separate from CV. 

Again, that remark by Inncubus made is hilarious.  Castlevania: Serenade of Cluck.  Why do I get the sense that someone will try to make a game based off of this?

I agree with drk it didnt feel in anyway like a castlevania. I dont see how it is anyway a love letter to classic castlevania fans as Cox stated. I never once remembered a Belmont being Dracula nor do I remember being in a jungle with aztec ruins fighting trolls unless I was playing world of warcraft. Yes Carmilla's castle felt castlevanish but thats about it. I was highly disappointed in the story.

[cecil-kain]

Now that's funny!!!  Yes, it may be called castlevania, but it's essence is not.  As I have said, like many of us, LoS is a great game, but doesn't feel like a "true castlevania".  It would probably get a lot more respect if it was treated as its own franchise separate from CV. 

Again, that remark by Inncubus made is hilarious.  Castlevania: Serenade of Cluck.  Why do I get the sense that someone will try to make a game based off of this?

Because it's pure genius.  And whoever does it needs to make sure complimentary copies get shipped to the knuckleheads at Konami of Japan and Mercury Steam.

[Vampire Killer]

No, it's not Castlevania.  It's a great game, but it's just not Castlevania.

And Mario Galaxy wasn't really a Mario game because it was so different from the original 2D Mario games.

Resident Evil 4, not a "real" RE. All RE must be designed to be able to be beaten within 3 hours, or it's not a real RE title.

Ninja Gaiden Black, not really an NG game.

Prince of Persia: Sand of Time, not really a PoP game, as the original PoP didn't have a time manipulation element.

And SotN, wtf is that crap? This is a Metroid game, not a Cv game. You might as well be fighting the Mother Brain at the end. Hell, the main character isn't even a Belmont. Who's dumb idea was that. How can you call SotN a Cv game when the main playable character doesn't even wield a whip?

Yada, yeada, yada.... I think you get the point. You're free to have your own opinion, just as we're free to disagree. I think stating cart-blanche that LoS is in no terms a Cv game in the slightest, is a tad bold. Perhaps it would be best to say that at most, it doesn't match what you consider to be a Cv title because of X, Y, and Z.

In the end I guess some people can enjoy something they love being reinvented, and others can only enjoy that thing if it remains relatively the same.

How about this, think of LoS as an Elseworlds event (like the DC comics). It's Castlevania in a different realm/dimension/universe. That's pretty much how I view it anyway.

[Vampire Killer]

By your logic if Konami packaged a remote-control chicken and a bunch of paper zombies we could peck at and labeled it "Castlevania: Serenade of Cluck", it would be a true CV game.

That gave me the chuckle.

[Flame]

That gave me the chuckle.

AYou mean, it gave you a cluck-le!

[Inccubus]

Actually...

Barnyard Blast: Swine of the Night
http://youtu.be/okiKOo2tOfU
http://youtu.be/U63RGigHC_Q
http://youtu.be/ZnCo2QANlaM

I believe Jorge was the first to point this out.

[Vampire Killer]

AYou mean, it gave you a cluck-le!

Sad Trombone

[Lumas]

And Mario Galaxy wasn't really a Mario game because it was so different from the original 2D Mario games.

Resident Evil 4, not a "real" RE. All RE must be designed to be able to be beaten within 3 hours, or it's not a real RE title.

Ninja Gaiden Black, not really an NG game.

Prince of Persia: Sand of Time, not really a PoP game, as the original PoP didn't have a time manipulation element.

And SotN, wtf is that crap? This is a Metroid game, not a Cv game. You might as well be fighting the Mother Brain at the end. Hell, the main character isn't even a Belmont. Who's dumb idea was that. How can you call SotN a Cv game when the main playable character doesn't even wield a whip?

Yada, yeada, yada.... I think you get the point. You're free to have your own opinion, just as we're free to disagree. I think stating cart-blanche that LoS is in no terms a Cv game in the slightest, is a tad bold. Perhaps it would be best to say that at most, it doesn't match what you consider to be a Cv title because of X, Y, and Z.

In the end I guess some people can enjoy something they love being reinvented, and others can only enjoy that thing if it remains relatively the same.

How about this, think of LoS as an Elseworlds event (like the DC comics). It's Castlevania in a different realm/dimension/universe. That's pretty much how I view it anyway.

Mario was still mario not really bowser

Resident evil followed the time line as far as I know and still kept many characters

as far ninja gaiden goes it followed the main story as well

And Prince of Persia well Im from Sparda so I dont play persian games.

Personally I think taking a story and saying its a love letter then make something completely in left field with some elements from the story isnt really a love letter and if it is its a bad one. Gameplay was amazing Graphically it was one of the best looking games Ive ever seen, music was a little too epic but still wasnt bad. But the execution is my problem with this game. The story started off good enough but reusing the "whole my love died so I gotta kill shit" theme and making a belmont really dracula isnt the best idea I believe.  Again with and keep in mind this is just my opinion Lament the game was good but things I disliked was Mathias really being Dracula (Hellsing's Dracula is Vlad and its badass) and the whip being created from Alchemy I grew up under the impression it was a holy whip but again thats just me. Curse of Darkness with its well just about everything could have been a great game.  The 64 titles were much more like "classicvania" to me but again they were a missed opportunity without funding to back them like the Los LoI and CoD I think they need to stray away from the theme of love reason I say this is because SotN there was a love story but it was faint it was mainly about a son's duty to right his father sins and previous Castlevanias were about the duty of the Belmonts having to rise up against Dracula. I liked it better when Dracula was just an evil bastard instead of this sympathy for the devil bs I mean that fits well with the story of Lisa but I would prefer him just to be an evil jerk like some of our classic villans like Dr Wily, Robotnik (HES NOT FUCKIN EGGMAN) and Gannon and the rest. I mean they have kinda turned Dracula into the emo kid in class. But anyway back to my point I feel LoS was a missed opportunity for the series I really feel that all jazz about this being a different game before is indeed true and they just retrofitted it as a castlevania much like they did with Chakkan the Forever man 2 retrofitting it as Blood Omen 2. I think they need to get back to basics like they said they would. A lone hero who's blood dooms him to face the might of Dracula. Yeah its been done but not for a long time. I mean they wouldnt even really need to use Dracula since he is indeed mathias they got about 4 hundred years in between the time the Belmonts face off against Dracula to show off how the Belmonts became such good hunters or if it pleases others even make a game where Vlad goes up against Mathias to become a vampire to gain power or something like that. But Ive raved long enough this is just my opinion so its whatever.

[crisis]

Mario was still mario not really bowser

lol

And Prince of Persia well Im from Sparta* so I dont play persian games.

LOL.. touché

[Lumas]

lol

LOL.. touché

Thanks Crisis I was reading the Devil May Cry thread at the same time so it Sparda just kinda came out LOL

[Inccubus]

Not for nothin', but 2D Mario and 3D Mario are two completely different animules. From what I've seen the new 3DS Mario is closer to the old 2D ones then all the previous ones.
RE4, Ninja Gaiden, and PoP, are not that different from their predecessors. Most of these added innovative things that complimented the old. They didn't scrap everything and then build it mostly from scratch. And before anyone talks smack about Ninja Gaiden, remember that the NES games were actually Ninja Ryukenden, not NG.

[Dominus]

By your logic if Konami packaged a remote-control chicken and a bunch of paper zombies we could peck at and labeled it "Castlevania: Serenade of Cluck", it would be a true CV game. I'm just calling it like it is to me.

Yes, if you dont like it sad for you. Even HD and Judgement are true Cv's