Topic: Castlevania - The Plot Hole Thread

[Nagumo]

I don't know why that would be such of a problem. I mean, Julius being able to sense the whip's power or something sounds like a good enough handwave to me.   

[Chernabogue]

Julius may have hid it in Dracula's Keep or an usual CV place, so he can find it easily.

[Ridureyu]

It should have been visible in Soma's game. Like, just hanging on the wall somewhere in the background.

[Harrycombs]

Here's a plot hole that I don't think anyone was mentioned yet.  In AoS, when Julius regains his memory, he says that he sealed the whip in the castle to weaken its spirit, but as Alucard says in SotN, the castle is a creature of chaos and changes with each incarnation.  In other words, the castle should be different from the way it was during the Demon Castle War in 1999.  Yet, in AoS, Julius says that he knows precisely where he put the whip.  So, how can that be if the castle is different from when the whip was sealed their?

And yes, I've performed some Thread Necromancy.

Maybe since the castle was sealed in the eclipse its still the same castle he went to in 1999.

[darkwzrd4]

Maybe since the castle was sealed in the eclipse its still the same castle he went to in 1999.

Perhaps.  We would need the 1999 game to be sure.

[Ridureyu]

The castle only changes so much, though.  The clock tower, keep, and entrance hall are nearly always the same, for example.

So yeah, Julius probably just put it there.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

It is said (not proven) that the castle sealed in the Eclipse is exactly the same castle from 1999.  However, because this Castle isn't connected to anything, but rather just floating in the Ether, areas such as the Floating Gardens are possible.  In reality, those gardens were probably in/around the castle, so 'some' Castle reshaping must have taken place, but not enough to really say that it's metamorphed as it does when it goes to the human dimension.

[A-Yty]

Actually I think Dracula, like most "Final Boss" type of characters, would destroy all of mankind, then destroy himself.  I don't think he cares about other vampires nearly as much as he cares for that final goal.  It's all very nihilistic.

Indeed. This is why I think Dracula fighting other vampires who prefer to keep humans as walking food would make a nice storyline.

Dracula doesn't give a shit about other vampires, really. He doesn't hate them, but certainly does not seem to feel camaraderie or a connection with them either. And I think that's pretty cool 

[justin312]

We fans were left with a lot of questions and mind boggling paradoxes such as the 100 year rule. Luckily there was IGA who saved the day and fixed almost (if not all of) these problems... 

I would like to flip it around, and ask what mind boggling paradoxes existed before Iga "saved the day"?  Presumably you are talking about pre-SotN Castlevania, which would have been most of the classicvanias of the '80s and early '90s.  Those stories were really very simple plot setups, so I'm not sure what mind boggling details existed that required saving.  The question of why Dracula rises every hundred years, or why the Belmonts hunt him?  I guess they didn't go into too much detail there, but I always liked that.  It allowed you to use your own imagination to flesh out and embellish the story.

[X]

Agreed.

-X

[Ridureyu]

Just how old are large clockwork clock towers, really?

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

The first were not done with clockwork as much as they were done with Water Power.
Interestingly enough, in Castlevania III the stage before the Clock Tower (Block 9) has a large water reservoir at the top of the tower, which is constantly pumping (you even have to fight ravens in that section) and that water after passing through the clockworks (of the final stage - it's right next to it according to the map) falls back down to the waterfall section of the lower part of the stage.

It's likely that the CVIII Final Stage clock tower is water-powered, not electricity-powered.

The very first clock towers were water-powered... though CVIII breaks that by having a Pendulum, which indicates an Escapement System, which wasn't around at the time.

I think Mills (Water Mills and later Windmills) were invented prior to clockwork towers, since the principle is similar.

[Ridureyu]

That's what I meant.  Gears and pendulums.  Anything just as or more advanced than what we see in Castlevania.

It's like Dracula secretly invented everything first.

[TheouAegis]

Like Adam (Frakenstein's monster).
... But that's another thread.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

It seems many of the inventions Mankind comes up with always appear in Dracula's Castle first.  Including (but not limited to):

-The Escapement System (of Clock Towers)
-Water and Steam-Based Motion Devices (Windmills, Watermills, Water Towers, Modern Piping)
-Lightning/Electricity-based Animation (Mecha, Robots, and Frankie's Monster)
-Early Prototypes of Machinery and Technology (Motorcycles, Blimps, Transistor Radios, Explosives)
-Anachronistic objects (Modern Office Chairs in the past, New York Pizza in the 18th Century, Positron Rifles in a 1999-sealed Castle)
-Genetic Experimentations (Melty Zombies, Lizard-Man Combinations, Killer Baby Fetuses, Homunculi)

...and none of this actually counts as 'magic'.  The stuff that's 'magical' and 'mythical' is even weirder.