Topic: Lords of Shadow Opinions (has Spoilers)

[crisis]

I don't know why castlevania is the only series fans want the music to be EXACTLY THE SAME every game.+

I don't think anyone wants it to be exactly the same, but no one wants it to be boring Hollywood-esque, either.

[Ahasverus]

I don't think anyone wants it to be exactly the same, but no one wants it to be boring Hollywood-esque, either.

And not everyone wants silly japo rock/electro/pop neither,

[crisis]

Atleast the "silly japo rock/electro/pop" tunes are catchy & unique. Can't say the same for LoS' dull soundtrack.

[thernz]

how did ahasverus like castlevania before los

[corneliab]

Future installments can at least afford to drop some more clear references of classic tunes. Music is one of the things that the series is known for, after all. Even the Metroid Prime games had a handful of rearrangements.

[e105beta]

Future installments can at least afford to drop some more clear references of classic tunes. Music is one of the things that the series is known for, after all. Even the Metroid Prime games had a handful of rearrangements.

Exactly. I don't think the music in LoS was bad by any means, and they had a lot of small musical references to older games, but save for Waterfalls of Agharta, there were no straight up remixes which would have been nice. I like Araujo's style and a straight up Araujo-style Vampire Killer would have been great.

[uzo]

how did ahasverus like castlevania before los

He must not have.

[Ahasverus]

how did ahasverus like castlevania before los

Don't get me wrong, I love past games, it's just that I'm too ambitious sometimes and I want CV to be the best thing ever ever ever so I tend to be very picky.
Just wait 'til the LOS hype fades and you'll see my picks and stuff again, it's a matter of time I know. I used to say Ecclesia was better than Symphony

I always hated the japo silliness though, I always liked the more "classy" Yamane tracks, Lament of Innnocence soundtrak for example didn't have a lot of memorable tunes (like LOS) but it's a beautiful score. Some of Symphony's songs are really moody (tell me that the Yamaoka-composed undergorund theme didn't rise chills at its time) and I'm not talking about only having dark music, Master Librarian's theme still brings a smile on my face, it's a beautiful bright catchy tune but IT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE.
That's what I don't like about the japo/pop songs. They are too out of context, no Clockwork doesn't resembles a Clock tower, nor tower of dolls, Wicked child is really childish and not "wicked" at all, heart of fire is a kinda rejected 80's metal song, the same with tracks like "Colloseum", God there is A FUCKING SALSA TRACK in Ecclesia. Oh, and it was in a moody fog stage.

LoS score might be "unmemorable" but it fits. That's all I need. Just like LoI, some Symhony parts, even Bloodlines.

Especial mention to Curse of Darkness, even with it being a metal score It actually delivered sense of context. Kudos to Yamane - san.

[DragonSlayr81]

Don't get me wrong, I love past games, it's just that I'm too ambitious sometimes and I want CV to be the best thing ever ever ever so I tend to be very picky.
Just wait 'til the LOS hype fades and you'll see my picks and stuff again, it's a matter of time I know. I used to say Ecclesia was better than Symphony

I always hated the japo silliness though, I always liked the more "classy" Yamane tracks, Lament of Innnocence soundtrak for example didn't have a lot of memorable tunes (like LOS) but it's a beautiful score. Some of Symphony's songs are really moody (tell me that the Yamaoka-composed undergorund theme didn't rise chills at its time) and I'm not talking about only having dark music, Master Librarian's theme still brings a smile on my face, it's a beautiful bright catchy tune but IT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE.
That's what I don't like about the japo/pop songs. They are too out of context, no Clockwork doesn't resembles a Clock tower, nor tower of dolls, Wicked child is really childish and not "wicked" at all, heart of fire is a kinda rejected 80's metal song, the same with tracks like "Colloseum", God there is A FUCKING SALSA TRACK in Ecclesia. Oh, and it was in a moody fog stage.

LoS score might be "unmemorable" but it fits. That's all I need. Just like LoI, some Symhony parts, even Bloodlines.

Especial mention to Curse of Darkness, even with it being a metal score It actually delivered sense of context. Kudos to Yamane - san.

But, all songs don't have to fit in the context of the location themselves, but could be tied to the overall mood of the game, or the sense of quest. I mean, take "Vampire Killer", a song that's more based on the driving sense of adventure than ambent spooky castle hallways. Motifs don't always have to fit the subtext to a tee. Sometimes the look of a locations is one part of the atmosphere, while the music sets up a different, other half of the atmosphere. And sometimes i works like that. I'm not saying to have a location that cmposes of marble fixtures and giant statues, then musically contrast with a My Chemical Romance song(urg). I mean, sometimes it's not a bad thing to spice up the feel by doin something different. The jazzy sound of Crystal Teardrops springs to mind. Variety is the spice of life.

[Hanniballistic]

After a few days of letting the ending sink in, I must say I liked this game.  I didn't LOVE it.

I don't really know what to think about it.  I was pretty excited for this game and I feel disappointed.  I don't really care that "it's a reboot and it takes the game in new directions!!!".  Most reboots resemble the originals in most ways.  This lacked the music (which, as it was pointed out, the series is known for) and the mood I feel makes Castlevania what it is.  We can all argue all day long about this but as on objective fan that doesn't really defend one group of games over all others... this just doesn't fit for me.

That said, I did enjoy it.  I just wish it wasn't called Castlevania.

[Ahasverus]

But, all songs don't have to fit in the context of the location themselves, but could be tied to the overall mood of the game, or the sense of quest. I mean, take "Vampire Killer", a song that's more based on the driving sense of adventure than ambent spooky castle hallway

Absolutely, note that I didn't mention Vampire Killer, it's still the absolutely my favouriter one of the pre-yamane era. It is really used in context, not lcoation-based context, but mood-based context. I get what you are saying, and i share your opinion, not every song has to be location-based. However, songs like wicked child or the bloody whole of portrait of ruin soundtrack, or Op 13 (don't make me start with Mary Samba) are really, really really not suitable at all, they are catchy playful tunes, now that's bad, they're just japo-pop tracks in the wrong place, they belong, I don't know, Parodius or Tokimeki Memorial, not Castlevania, at all.
That's not a past I would like to return to.

OK returning to Lords of Shadow, I just noticed that the game really his its backstory in the scrolls. Why? most of the Cv references, or even cool backstory is there (I loved the whole Carmilla story, or the rivaly between Malphas and baba yaga). I also love how the whole bestiary is taken into context and all those monsters have a reason to be there, some backstories are just brilliant (scarecrow and the already mentioned baba yaga/malphas thing, the relation between skull knights/carmilla etc).

[uzo]

Idea: Prequel game with 3 character party of Zobek, Carmilla, and Cornell.

[thernz]

Absolutely, note that I didn't mention Vampire Killer, it's still the absolutely my favouriter one of the pre-yamane era. It is really used in context, not lcoation-based context, but mood-based context. I get what you are saying, and i share your opinion, not every song has to be location-based. However, songs like wicked child or the bloody whole of portrait of ruin soundtrack, or Op 13 (don't make me start with Mary Samba) are really, really really not suitable at all, they are catchy playful tunes, now that's bad, they're just japo-pop tracks in the wrong place, they belong, I don't know, Parodius or Tokimeki Memorial, not Castlevania, at all.
That's not a past I would like to return to.

are you sure that mary samba doesn't fit?
if anything, the song fits this scene perfectly~
Dracula X: Rondo of Blood - Maria's ending

[Ahasverus]

Idea: Prequel game with 3 character party of Zobek, Carmilla, and Cornell.

^This.

They need no enlighten us about the "Necromantic Wars", IDK but I found them to be interesting. And of course, I'd like to see the "real" Zobek

@Thernz: No, at all. The scene is silly, but the samba makes it worse.

[thernz]

you just cant handle the true nature of rondo. blocking all that poppy anime out, knowing it's at the heart of rondo.
rejecting rondo itself.