Topic: Hector is a pinhead

[A-Yty]

trevor's legs are obviously meant as sex appeal

I'm trying to picture who finds those sexy.

..I'm going to stop picturing it immediately.

[le052383]

I have problems with that pic (C.America), but at least from what I know of that artist, he was consistent with that kind of work and you could write it off as 'style' (it's still wrong but at least it's 'stylized' to a degree, and most of the characters are consistent)

Kojima's (LOL you said Komija, teehee... **ahem** sorry) proportions vary by the day, it seems.  Sometimes stuff is 'ok', other times it comes off as wildly out of proportion, by a large margin, even when it's the same character, only at a different shot/angle.  I love the way she draws faces, but when having to do a full-body shot for illustrations, seems she doesn't believe in touching up her works in post-production.  It's like **scribble** **scribble** **shade** **shade** **color** **color** "OK it's done" and nobody tells her "That's nice but the proportions are done.  Please do it again or hand it to our post-production team, who will inflate the head, shrink the body vertically, and align everything correction, then return it to you to finish up".

Picasso was doing stuff just for the sake of art... she's not.  She's doing a character illustration, like a commercial artist would, only it's a person (as opposed to a can of soup or a box of cereal).  Style is up to Konami, so either they don't care that it's offfffffffff, or they cannot afford/don't have the gall to tell her to fix it.

It is strange that no one in production has correct Kojima's art since it is blatant.  I am sure the 3d graphic artist have noticed the inconsistency in her art as well.

[Dominus]

I'm trying to picture who finds those sexy.

..I'm going to stop picturing it immediately.

I wanna know what this "game" is like.

[A-Yty]

It is strange that no one in production has correct Kojima's art since it is blatant.  I am sure the 3d graphic artist have noticed the inconsistency in her art as well.

Maybe it has something to do with Japanese work culture.

[X]

Yes!  That's what I should have said from the beginning.  It's her style, and it funny that people here find it bothersome.

True, it is her style and she's entitled to it. No questions there. However since she's scetching our favoret CV heros, we have certain expectations of 'proper proportions' for the characters in question. If it is her own creations; characters, etc. then I will not judge, but she's done images of trevor, simon, etc. and they just look 'off'. I personally don't think it's good for CV characters to be shown in that light.

-X

[Evil_Tim]

Yes!  That's what I should have said from the beginning.  It's her style, and it funny that people here find it bothersome.  No one would look at a Klimt painting (who I think she is somewhat inspired by) and pick it apart like this.  Or a Picasso for that matter.

"It's my style" is commonly an excuse you see thrown around on Deviantart to excuse abject laziness. If you've studied and chosen the ways in which you intend to deviate from reality, you have a style. Otherwise, you just have "the errors you usually make because you don't know any better." Picasso, by the way, was into crazy realism before he ever started doing abstracts.

Kojima's good at scenes and costumes, but she doesn't have much grasp of the basics of how a figure goes together; the result is that her figures often look wrong rather than stylised. For example, I don't think she intended for Hammer to have a giant first finger, a withered thumb and a stump where his other hand should be:



I don't think she intended for Maxim's neck to not exist on the left and be thicker than his skull on the right:



I think the issue is she draws the clothing seperately to the rest of the figure, actually. Look at Graham here, for example:



He looks like his head is behind his clothes, like he's standing behind a cardboard cutout of them. Maxim up there has the same thing going on on the left.

I have problems with that pic (C.America), but at least from what I know of that artist, he was consistent with that kind of work and you could write it off as 'style' (it's still wrong but at least it's 'stylized' to a degree, and most of the characters are consistent)

Welllll...More often not, really. And Liefeld's got the extra strike of being lazy, especially when he's coming up with ridiculous excuses to not draw feet.

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

[Hanniballistic]

Ok, fine, she's horribly lazy and should be never allowed to work again.  What is with this board?  One month we praise something about Castlevania and the next we all pick it apart till there is nothing left.  I almost feel like this is some attempt to turn me into another fanatic that everyone disagrees with, like affinity and his/her love of Harmony of Despair.  I'm done, I should have just stated I was ok with the proportions being off and been done with it.  Yeesh.

[Evil_Tim]

Don't be so melodramatic. I don't think she's so much lazy as that she doesn't know any better; the way she draws certainly doesn't imply that she's thrashing these out in seconds (unlike Liefeld, where he's got someone else to ink and colour for him and he just pencils any old shit), she's obviously got a lot of technical skill and imagination. She needs to improve in places (specifically, study human anatomy and proportion more closely than she has), not just stop because she's useless.

[Hanniballistic]

Obviously tone doesn't come through over the internet, I was being sarcastic.  I guess I need to make sure I put "/sarcasm" at the end of certain posts.  The only thing I was partially serious about is the "praise turning into criticism" (or vice-versa) aspect of message boards in general.  Just give it time, and soon Castlevania Judgement will become a "misunderstood classic".

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Hey, nothing wrong with constructive criticism of an artist, especially since, y'know she's never going to read any of this anyway.
She does a lot of really cool stuff, but by now we generally see where she needs improvement (and we're not even experts on art stuff).

And make no mistake: it's constructive.  No one here has flamed her work (what would be the point?  She's not here to take such flamebait anyway).  No one's like "Her work is shit and thus, she's shit, and should never draw again".  No one's saying that.  In fact, most of us like her work, at least the parts she excels at (she's a fantastic costume designer and her faces are generally very well done... especially effeminate males... yeah), but it doesn't take a master of fine arts to look at those pics of Scissor-Legs Trevor to go "Ooof, someone needs to take a Body Proportions course, or draw a nude model".

Chill out, pal.

PS- I don't think you were sarcastic.  But I look into finding a "Sarcasm Mode" tag just for instances such as this.  BTW, Sarcasm is more difficult in text than in verbal form.

[le052383]

I'm trying to picture who finds those sexy.

..I'm going to stop picturing it immediately.

I find Trevor's child rearing hips hawt...

[X]

LOL

-X

[Evil_Tim]

Incidentally, this (warning: not for the faint of heart) is what happens when you redraw that Liefeld Captain America without the outfit and shield. It does outline exactly what's wrong with it, and it's not the only time he's done something like that.

[le052383]

Incidentally, this (warning: not for the faint of heart) is what happens when you redraw that Liefeld Captain America without the outfit and shield. It does outline exactly what's wrong with it, and it's not the only time he's done something like that.

True.  I wouldn't call Captain America's chest as an art style because it is drawn in the wrong perceptive.

I don't get why Kojima's SOTN is so top notch without any errors.  Did Kojima drew the figures smaller, hence less error or did someone at Konami critique her art?  SOTN is the first time she did professional art for a VG if I am not mistaken.

[A-Yty]

Ok, fine, she's horribly lazy and should be never allowed to work again.  What is with this board?  One month we praise something about Castlevania and the next we all pick it apart till there is nothing left.  I almost feel like this is some attempt to turn me into another fanatic that everyone disagrees with, like affinity and his/her love of Harmony of Despair.  I'm done, I should have just stated I was ok with the proportions being off and been done with it.  Yeesh.

Way to blow things out of proportions.

Heh, pun not intented.