Topic: when will the next Japanese castlevania be released??

[Pumpkin Glow]

lol what

thats right. this heterosexual man would perform a deed which he has avoided so far by not breaking the law (butt sex)

hopefully no producers from Konami Japan try to contact me though

[TheCruelAngel]

Just to satiate my curiosity, why do you hold a Japanese developed Castlevania in such high regard that you would let someone taste your forbidden fruit?

Because at this point I'm thinking of writing Kojima Productions a lengthy email to make a tactical sneaking Castlevania game and use you as a bartering token to fund the project. 

[Pumpkin Glow]

Just to satiate my curiosity, why do you hold a Japanese developed Castlevania in such high regard that you would let someone taste your forbidden fruit?

too lazy to go into all the reasons  so am I just going to say I prefer the overall art direction and atmosphere of the Japanese games.

[TheouAegis]

Do-gooder comes home to dead wife/parent/child/dog. Do-gooder curses his existence and deity lording over his existence. Do-gooder becomes cursed/malicious/super-powerful.

Coppola didn't start that cliche and IGA just ran with it like Coppola. Coppola said Vlad Tepes became a vampire. IGA said Dracula had been a vampire for four centuries before becoming Vlad Tepes. Just because both Vlads use the same cliche backstory doesn't mean IGA ripped Coppola's story page.

And the plot holes/timeline is just fine. Westerners just typically lack the ability to cope with loose ends. They see a hole in the wall, they squirt toothpaste into it so their minds can be at ease knowing the wall is complete once again.

In CV3, Grant was a nobody. After LoI, he's been retconned into a somebody in the Japanese line. In the Western version of CV3, he was a pirate. Why the fuck would a pirate be trying to defeat Dracula? It never even crossed my mind for even a millisecond that the ghost ship belonged to Grant. It was always obvious to me that it belonged to Dracula himself and was a clear homage to pre-Coppola Dracula.

The one thing I hate about IGAvanias though is as far as stories/plots go, every game of his has more cliched tropes than Airplane! or Princess Bride. But I see that as being IGA Brand Toothpaste, patching up plot holes just as cleanly as Colgate patched up holes in my wall.

[DragonSlayr81]

And the plot holes/timeline is just fine. Westerners just typically lack the ability to cope with loose ends. They see a hole in the wall, they squirt toothpaste into it so their minds can be at ease knowing the wall is complete once again.

I actually agree with this. Was on a Final Fantasy forum when the question was brought up whether or not a love story was obligatory to make the whole a great story. One person said something to the extent of there always has to be a love story(by default) because to them, a main hero and a main heroine NOT getting together through some form of romance would break up the balance, and that a lot of people like sappy love stories, even horrible ones, because seeing two people get together helps them feel that there's still some balance in the world. Something stupid like that(this person was basically going on and on about how it eats away at them if this kinda "alignment" isn't settled, almost in an OCD type of way). I basically said only if love story is handled well, perhaps, but it shouldn't be included "just for the sake of sakes". You can expand character development many different ways if you(the writer) is smart enough. Though, considering a lot of bad love stories are a dime a dozen, I'm willing to bet not many are. 

I've said this before, I'm content with the old canon. I don't mind there being plot holes. Or, maybe, I just don't dwell on little stuff like that. It's really minute of a problem if you're giving yourself worry wrinkles over. Other than that, a few plot holes don't hurt anybody other than the George Costanzas of life. Hell, plot holes always strike up good fan theories and ideas. That type of conversation is well worth it's weight in gold(and is fun to, as long as it's an friendly exchange of theories that aren't interupted by the logic police, AKA the "rain on everybody's parade" people).

[Ahasverus]

Why do people like Wayforward? Look at their recent games, good looking sure, mediocre reviews all the way.

[Sumac]

I think returning to the old continuity is the most obvious choice as far as effort is concerned.

With all respect, I disagree with this opinion. 

Perhaps, but who knows? I don't think the unusual choices regarding design, music etc. are relevant.

I think it's all relevant. Judgement was an experiment and developers went all out with it, striving from old conventions as much as possible, including blending line between different timelines, which wouldn't be possible in regular CV game.

Well, I'm not seeing these shady moments you're talking about, so I can't really comment on them. As for the timeline being a mess, I was just talking about hard continuity. If you think the timeline sucks because there are a few mysteries that have yet to resolved then I wouldn't try to change your mind about that. Honestly speaking, I don't think many people think it's a issue. Most fans are at the very least just indifferent about the old timeline.

I like to have tidy and clear timeline, in which almost every important detail, that have connection to the main plot, is clear. CV old canon have too much holes in it and since storyline is one of the main aspects in any game series to me (especially in CV, where series lately made a LOT of emphasis on its story), this makes CV old timeline rather messy and sad to me. I am not "most fans" and its an issue to me.

Coppola didn't start that cliche and IGA just ran with it like Coppola. Coppola said Vlad Tepes became a vampire. IGA said Dracula had been a vampire for four centuries before becoming Vlad Tepes. Just because both Vlads use the same cliche backstory doesn't mean IGA ripped Coppola's story page.

Similar origins of the same character in different incarnations, are too much of the coincidence. And I don't believe in coincidences like that.

And the plot holes/timeline is just fine. Westerners just typically lack the ability to cope with loose ends. They see a hole in the wall, they squirt toothpaste into it so their minds can be at ease knowing the wall is complete once again.

What we have in old canon is not "loose ends".
Those are annoying holes, that doesn't take any effort to be cleared in a one single game. They are results of the unthought writing.
I am personally OK, when there are some things left unsaid, like in "The Big O" for example, that I really liked. I am not OK with the bad writing and very important things being left out without any single good reason.

I don't think "love story" is mandatory to make a good plot.

Hell, plot holes always strike up good fan theories and ideas. That type of conversation is well worth it's weight in gold(and is fun to, as long as it's an friendly exchange of theories that aren't interupted by the logic police, AKA the "rain on everybody's parade" people).

Loose ends could be discussed, but I don't see point to discuss things that  should have a definite answer, that writers never cared to provide. It's not thought provoking, just annoying and unneccesary.

[DragonSlayr81]

Why do people like Wayforward? Look at their recent games, good looking sure, mediocre reviews all the way.

You didn't, by any chance, read the IGN review of Double Dragon Neon?

Of course, I don't take many reviews into consideration that much. You don't know who's being truthful and who's being paid off. There's been any times I've read good reviews about bad games, so I just leave it up to my own self to determine a game's worth in my own eyes.

[X]

Why the fuck would a pirate be trying to defeat Dracula?

Do you not know about a pirate's honor? They are thieves and killers of the high seas but they do have their own sense of honor. And If someone or someones ever messed with a pirate and his group, they would in fact exact revenge. This is historical fact. If we are to consider Grant as a pirate then killing Dracula because he butchered his whole family would be justified. If someone came along and horribly massacred someone you loved would you not feel inclined to pursue some sort of justice? I know I would.

[TheouAegis]

Dracula wasn't a butcher, he was a demon summoner. The demons did all the butchering.

And for that matter, has anyone ever actually seen Dracula kill someone? Dude's always just chilling in his castle, then along comes some sadistic trespasser who kills Dracula's pet and then kills Dracula while he's sitting in his big, cushy chair. I think the Belmonts are just anarchists. Or they're the 99% out to kill the 1%.

[CastleV]

With all respect, I disagree with this opinion.

If next Castlevania continue LOS's timeline ,I wont step into the castle forever

[Nagumo]

With all respect, I disagree with this opinion. 

Please elaborate.

I think it's all relevant. Judgement was an experiment and developers went all out with it, striving from old conventions as much as possible, including blending line between different timelines, which wouldn't be possible in regular CV game.

I'm sure the game was an experiment, but if it had been successful (which unfortunately wasn't the case) it wouldn't have been a one-time thing like you said in your pevious post. It's not like Cornell's appearance automatically means they will make another game in his "world", but I think it opens up possibilities. But whatever.

         
I like to have tidy and clear timeline, in which almost every important detail, that have connection to the main plot, is clear. CV old canon have too much holes in it and since storyline is one of the main aspects in any game series to me (especially in CV, where series lately made a LOT of emphasis on its story), this makes CV old timeline rather messy and sad to me. I am not "most fans" and its an issue to me.

The only real hole is why the Morris family got the whip. I can't really comment on the rest.   

[Maedhros]

Why do people like Wayforward? Look at their recent games, good looking sure, mediocre reviews all the way.

Who fucking cares about reviews? God Hand got 3.5 on IGN. Imagine Babiez got 7.5

[Ahasverus]

Who fucking cares about reviews? God Hand got 3.5 on IGN. Imagine Babiez got 7.5

I care about reviews. Obviously not about IGN reviews, but game critics response is very important. It's not the score, it's the text behind it.

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

I care about reviews. Obviously not about IGN reviews, but game critics response is very important. It's not the score, it's the text behind it.

Sorry but I care what I myself like not what reviewers like.

Wayforward's games are liked by the fans, it doesn't matter what those reviewers say if you ask me.