Topic: Castlevania: LoS - Mirror of Fate (SPOILER DISCUSSION)

[ZenTzen]

Well the stake becomes Alucard's sword.

https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/311013685730627584

so the stake from Gabriels combat cross becomes Alucards sword? i wonder what makes it so special besides that

[crisis]

The stake part from the original Combat Cross was known for staking vampires, which is how it got the nickname "Vampire Killer." When Gabriel shattered the weapon & left the pieces in the shadow dimension, the stake that he used to stab that bitch Carmilla was still intact within the castle.

I'm assuming Alucard will use it to forge his new sword, then that sword might get damaged somehow & then rebuilt to form a new Combat Cross, the true "Vampire Killer."


That said, I really don't like how they approached it story-wise. They should've never have made Gabriel shatter the Combat Cross in LoS1; instead, he leaves the shadow dimension with it but simply discards it, as he no longer has a use for it anymore. A brotherhood knight finds it, gives it to Trevor, etc. What I'm getting at is, "The holy weapon I once used to defeat the Lords of Shadow & Satan, is now used against me." For me, that gives it a much better mythos, rather than there being multiple Combat Crosses as seen in MoF. They should've kept the weapon special & unique, and why only a Belmont can wield it.

[Lelygax]

Its so special because:
Gabriel turns into Dracula.
Trevor turns into Alucard.
Whip turns into Alucard Sword.

[Ahasverus]

The stake part from the original Combat Cross was known for staking vampires, which is how it got the nickname "Vampire Killer." When Gabriel shattered the weapon & left the pieces in the shadow dimension, the stake that he used to stab that bitch Carmilla was still intact within the castle.

Wasn't that Simon's stake not Gabriel's?

Edit: Don't matter, I'm retarded.

[e105beta]

The stake part from the original Combat Cross was known for staking vampires, which is how it got the nickname "Vampire Killer." When Gabriel shattered the weapon & left the pieces in the shadow dimension, the stake that he used to stab that bitch Carmilla was still intact within the castle.

I'm assuming Alucard will use it to forge his new sword, then that sword might get damaged somehow & then rebuilt to form a new Combat Cross, the true "Vampire Killer."


That said, I really don't like how they approached it story-wise. They should've never have made Gabriel shatter the Combat Cross in LoS1; instead, he leaves the shadow dimension with it but simply discards it, as he no longer has a use for it anymore. A brotherhood knight finds it, gives it to Trevor, etc. What I'm getting at is, "The holy weapon I once used to defeat the Lords of Shadow & Satan, is now used against me." For me, that gives it a much better mythos, rather than there being multiple Combat Crosses as seen in MoF. They should've kept the weapon special & unique, and why only a Belmont can wield it.

I agree that the whole "Good thing Gandolfi made TWO Combat Crosses" seemed like kind of a lame cop-out when they could have just as easily had Trevor inherit Gabriel's unwittingly.

Though it does present us with an interesting new take on the lore of the weapon, especially if they decide to make more mobile games to flesh out the 900 years of timeline between LoS and LoS 2. There's the Vampire Killer stake, which becomes the hilt of Alucard's sword, and then there's Trevor's combat cross, which becomes the signature weapon of the Belmonts. Both were created with some sort of "sacred metal" if Mirror of Fate's little bits of lore are to be trusted, which is what makes them so effective.

And I think the way they're explaining the whole "Only Belmonts use the CC" is that it's such a difficult weapon to use that only those with ridiculous Brotherhood training can use it, and now that the Brotherhood has been wiped, Simon Belmont (and Alucard) are the only ones with the know how to do it.

[ZenTzen]

speaking of whips, the 2 combat crosses and stuff, i wonder if Dark Pain that Alucard uses in MoF will be featured as well in LoS2 besides the sword

[Dremn]

Dave retweeting some things on his twitter reveal some interesting things. Toymaker will be explained in LoS2, Simon could be back if him retweeting a post asking for him meant anything, and when someone asked if the Brotherhood was really out to do God's work, he said "mmm that is the question isn't it? "

If the Brotherhood was tempted by the Mirror of Fate, where did the Mirror come from? Another plot device from Satan? If they never had it Gabriel never would have become Dracula.

[Neobelmont]

speaking of whips, the 2 combat crosses and stuff, i wonder if Dark Pain that Alucard uses in MoF will be featured as well in LoS2 besides the sword

A side arm perhaps?

[Little Dracula]

instead, he leaves the shadow dimension with it but simply discards it, as he no longer has a use for it anymore. A brotherhood knight finds it,

How can a brotherhood knight enter the shadow dimension?, not very logical and way to risky. If they wanted to keep the combat cross intact, the easy and more logical way was to make Gabe return to the normal world with it and store it in the castle, like he did with Trevors combat cross.

[Neobelmont]

How can a brotherhood knight enter the shadow dimension?

There is probably a way because when it comes to magic anything is possible.

[Little Dracula]

There is probably a way because when it comes to magic anything is possible.

Well of course, it'a videogame, they can do whatever they want but at least to me it's a contrived explanation, but that's just me.

[Ahasverus]

There is probably a way because when it comes to magic anything is possible.

Laura explictly said that humans can't enter the shadow dimension. That's  why Gabriel was turned in the first place.

[Neobelmont]

Well of course, it'a videogame, they can do whatever they want but at least to me it's a contrived explanation, but that's just me.

Yeah besides it being a game but it seems that when it comes to magic there is always something that overides something kind of like a rock paper scissors thing. Like out of nowhere ORing.

Laura explictly said that humans can't enter the shadow dimension. That's  why Gabriel was turned in the first place.

Hmm really been awhile two years can affect a mind 

So what if the person was half human could they still go through?

[Darkson]

Was it said that the copy cross was created by ghandolfi? Now, its been a week or so, along with heavy studying for my tests, but wasn't it mentioned that it was a copy made by the brotherhood? Perhaps he left the blueprints and a blacksmith forged another for Trevor, albeit, one that is inferior to the original.

Also: betting it now. Lucifer had a hand in the brotherhood of lights formation. After all, he was once gods right hand man, and not all light is good...

[crisis]

How can a brotherhood knight enter the shadow dimension?

you misunderstood me, I meant Gabriel leaves the dimension without shattering the whip first; once he returns to the human world, then he discards it somewhere (outskirts of the castle perhaps) brotherhood knight discovers it, etc.

not very logical and way to risky. If they wanted to keep the combat cross intact, the easy and more logical way was to make Gabe return to the normal world with it and store it in the castle, like he did with Trevors combat cross.

that's what I meant, lol

Was it said that the copy cross was created by ghandolfi? Now, its been a week or so, along with heavy studying for my tests, but wasn't it mentioned that it was a copy made by the brotherhood? Perhaps he left the blueprints and a blacksmith forged another for Trevor, albeit, one that is inferior to the original.

apparently there are several copies of the Combat Cross. In one of the brotherhood scrolls, it's written that he "needs a Combat Cross to get across the castle gate obstacle, things would be a lot easier for me" or something like that.

There's also the "Dark Pain," a twisted version of the Combat Cross forged by the Toy Maker, Rinaldo's pupil. It was made using dark energies & metals. The game also hints that the Toy Maker was cursed, as to explain his dark nature and why he's making all these bad things.

Trevor's CC (now Simon's)


Alucard's DP