Topic: MS: "People is not dumb and won't stick just to the little number"

[Kale]

"But eh, I think his stuff is a bit saturated with nonsensical plots."

I wanna facepalm you so hard... He's one of those few Japanese Developers who are actually well aware of Western Culture and has done great work using History and made up his own Sci-Fi story from there and was the Pioneer of the Stealth Genre.

Why does that matter, if the story ends up being nonsensical. Don't tell me you thought an arm controlling a person makes perfect sense. If you do, face palm yourself. HARD.

And great, pioneered the stealth genre. CV isn't a stealth game, so who gives a shit? I'm not saying he can't branch out, because Revengence looks great. But points you are pulling out are not even related.

[Lelygax]

Why does that matter, if the story ends up being nonsensical. Don't tell me you thought an arm controlling a person makes perfect sense. If you do, face palm yourself. HARD.

And great, pioneered the stealth genre. CV isn't a stealth game, so who gives a shit? I'm not saying he can't branch out, because Revengence looks great. But points you are pulling out are not even related.

It does if its shown before that paranormal things can happen in this world. They did it since Psycho Mantis appearance. Now if they didnt showed that before, then I would admit it doesnt make sense.

@Pfil: Thanks

What I want is for Dracula to have a final duel with someone like Galamoth.

[shelverton.]

Well, Yamane has said on a interview, that she chose that style of music for LoI, because the time it was taking place, didn't have electric guitars or some other music organs, that's why we've got what we've got. I like most of her work, because most of the tracks she mades, they fit with the place they are playing, putting you on the mood and place, that you are playing.

However, LoI has a lot of beats - even techno. So while I get what she's saying, it's a pretty strange explanation. I sometimes feel that the IGA team (Iga, Ayami, Michiru) was overthinking things. And yet they contradict themselves over and over. Good thing I loved their games most of the times

Edit: As for Rondo, it's the classic Castlevania soundtrack that, IMO, is the most different one. It has a few tracks that are pretty far away from what I would call "classic Castlevania music". It seems a bit more FUNKY and jazzy, I guess. But maybe it's just me.

[Maedhros]

However, LoI has a lot of beats - even techno. So while I get what she's saying, it's a pretty strange explanation. I sometimes feel that the IGA team (Iga, Ayami, Michiru) was overthinking things. And yet they contradict themselves over and over. Good thing I loved their games most of the times

Which is the one of the best music on the OST.

[A-Yty]

Yup, time for a rematch.

[shelverton.]

Which is the one of the best music on the OST.

I agree, but if Yamane didn't want electric guitars because it would be "historically inaccurate", I find techno a bit difficult to swallow. Great music though.

[Pfil]

Rondo music is a little different to the rest of the CV games that were available at the time when Rondo was released. But the atmosphere it creates is unique, and works perfectly with the game.

[Zetheraxza]

Castlevania Resurrection in LoI was remix of Black Banquet and Dracula's Castle from SotN and it used guitars. Like I said, most Japanese developers don't try pull of history accurate representation of the European setting. So they don't hesitate adding modern aspiring music. LoS in the other hand... Try playing LoI and CoD tracks and find yourself turning of the music or the game in the next 30 seconds.

[Sindra]

So, the "little numbers" that people will stick to....including Konami?

The sales numbers:

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=castlevania

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/71414/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-mirror-of-fate/Global/

When in only Week #6 of your game being out, you only sell not even 2,500 copies GLOBALLY......and the grand total of your game selling in your own region, thus far has only been a little over 15,000.

But hey, I'm sure that's a number Mr. Márquez and Dave Cox can be proud of, right?

[Pfil]

This list really surprises me, I never knew the numbers, and from what I could extract from MS and LoS fans staff talking, I always thought that LoS was the best selling Castlevania ever.
But it appears it's one of the worst selling home console games, positioning a little better than Curse of Darkness only, and in the whole, it fared better than some portable ones, but that's pretty common from what I know.
So we have one of the worst selling home console games, and the worst selling portable game, and (in my oppinion) the worst console and worst portable game. And so, so much that makes Castlevania was forgotten and ignored, supposedly (according to Konami, MS, and so on...) to make better sales and "better games that suit the modern industry", but these are the results?
I just don't understand.
Until now, I thought everything was for the money, and though I was sad as a fan, I could see Konami's greedy executives PoV, but now it just doesn't make sense.

[Neobelmont]

This list really surprises me, I never knew the numbers, and from what I could extract from MS and LoS fans staff talking, I always thought that LoS was the best selling Castlevania ever.
But it appears it's one of the worst selling home console games, positioning a little better than Curse of Darkness only, and in the whole, it fared better than some portable ones, but that's pretty common from what I know.
So we have one of the worst selling home console games, and the worst selling portable game, and (in my oppinion) the worst console and worst portable game. And so, so much that makes Castlevania was forgotten and ignored, supposedly (according to Konami, MS, and so on...) to make better sales and "better games that suit the modern industry", but these are the results?
I just don't understand.
Until now, I thought everything was for the money, and though I was sad as a fan, I could see Konami's greedy executives PoV, but now it just doesn't make sense.

Last time I checked Los combined ps3/360 makes it the best selling castlevania game IIRC. It did sell over 1 mill

Also why there is no place else for this kind of stuff? I remember VGCz was odd when it came to sales other here have told me as well. I remember Circle of the moon selling over a million yet it's what 0.83 on the site? Well anyways I can assume that some nunbers are off but it seems the classics sold well I think a bump might help 

But looking at it now the series till the point of lords of shadow sold 20 million

September 26, 1986 20 million[85]
Castlevania is a video game series created and developed by Konami originally released as Akumajō Dracula (悪魔城ドラキュラ Akumajō Dorakyura?, lit. "Devil's Castle Dracula"). The franchise spawned a number of action figures and a future movie.

I did Wikipedia it.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises


 At least 20 titles in the series sold at least a million or near a million(there is some  7/8 million copies in data missing). But to see MoF so low is shocking or maybe not.


 

[Pfil]

They should release MetroidVanias for portable consoles, ClassicVanias for digital downloads for home consoles and make 3D installments for home consoles retail games, and from time to time release a 2.5D remake of a classic game, for a portable console or as a downloadable title. That would always sell and give them the $$$ they so desperately want, and we'd be all happy.

[Neobelmont]

They should release MetroidVanias for portable consoles, ClassicVanias for digital downloads for home consoles and make 3D installments for home consoles retail games, and from time to time release a 2.5D remake of a classic game, for a portable console or as a downloadable title. That would always sell and give them the $$$ they so desperately want, and we'd be all happy.

Can't we just have em on consoles again I almost forgot how awesome a 2d cv game is on there not kidding I popped in Sotn and cv chronicles and man we need cv back on there again and not something cv:hd or a short yet sweet title like rebirth but a full blown title. I love handhelds but man 2d, 2.5d on  a tv I feel that you cannot beat.

[TheouAegis]

I don't think that many copies were sold, I think that many copies were distributed. Mercury Steam/Konami hasn't bought them back yet and the numbers don't show how many were returned to GameStop for $5 out of disgust. I know I've seen LoS with a USED sticker at GameStop. I bet if I go there tomorrow after work, I'd see MoF with a USED sticker as well.

[Nagumo]

I don't think it necessarily has to sell the most to be the most succesful (which LoS supposedly is according to Cox). For example, CoD and LoI might have sold more, but it's possible they made less of a profit.