Topic: The Dracolich is a lie!

[Intersection]

We're speaking about a mythical "Dracolich"; it could be assigned any life span we like.
Suppose it had lived in prehistoric times, but survived for millennia, until a nascent human race became skillful enough to use sophisticated weaponry and slew it?
Or suppose MercurySteam developers thought a dragon would look more intimidating with weapons stuck in its body?

Chalking those up to coincidence because there's not enough in-your-face evidence at the moment is just as silly as declaring anyone who believes in them a hypocrite. Pot, meet kettle. Just saying.

Dracula9, I am not here to declare anyone a hypocrite based on their beliefs. X is entitled to have his, and I do not question them. Yet in the absence of enough "in-your-face evidence", that is what they remain: beliefs. I simply do not find it appropriate for X to criticize Jewish religious beliefs in the way he did, especially considering how X manifestly holds his own.

[Dracula9]

Alright. I misread the tone of the statement then. I apologize. It came off to me as condescending.

And while that's all true, I prefer such aesthetics to have some degree of explained sense to them. There isn't much here, though this is simply one instance of many in Lords' lore.

[X]

In fairness, there's a certain degree of realism to the belief in sunken continents. We find underwater ruins all the time, some of which are unknown in origin or make. Hell, the notion of the third big continent Mu sinking and its remnants forming Easter Island and Hawaii and the like isn't outrageously far-fetched when one considers the ever-increasing amount of eerie similarities between geographically close (and even some far-apart) cultures.

Actually Lemuria is Mu. Mu is the short abbreviation for Lemuria. Like so; Le'Mu'ria. Lemuria is the lost Pacific continent whereas Atlantis is the lost Atlantic continent.

[Inccubus]

I've also heard theories (very old ones) that Lemuria was the now sunken continental shelf near India that became flooded after the last ice age ended. One thing is for sure, after the last ice age the water level rose something like 150 feet. I don't know about all these supposedly learned archeologists and anthropologists, but it seems to me that Humans have a penchant for living in coastal regions (aquatic ape theory anyone?) and thus there must be an entire history of lost civilization that is now under water that would explain a LOT of the holes that currently have no explanation. Just sayin'.

[Flame]

Lords has a TON of things that would have taken decades, if not centuries, to get done (like that fucking microcontinent of a castle, good grief),

castle doesn't count. it was made by a demonic pact with the Bernhards

[Shiroi Koumori]

I've also heard theories (very old ones) that Lemuria was the now sunken continental shelf near India that became flooded after the last ice age ended. One thing is for sure, after the last ice age the water level rose something like 150 feet. I don't know about all these supposedly learned archeologists and anthropologists, but it seems to me that Humans have a penchant for living in coastal regions (aquatic ape theory anyone?) and thus there must be an entire history of lost civilization that is now under water that would explain a LOT of the holes that currently have no explanation. Just sayin'.

Coastal regions provide more readily available protein (fish, shellfish) than other areas.
As for living near river systems, that would mean readily available fresh water and irrigation.
Plus water can mean you can easily escape from enemies through boats, provided they already learned the technology to do so.

[Kale]

Whomever dictated this to others obviously failed his final Math exam. Human civilization has been around far, far longer then 5774 years. If you believe in the lost continents of Atlantis and Lemuria (I do and the evidence is growing) then you're looking at a time scale of humanity to be around 10 million years old. And the Earth itself even longer; 4.5 billion years. It may be their faith but it's very vague and nonsensical (no offense to any Jewish people who might be here and yes I also have Jewish blood in me too, but I choose to exorcise my god-given freedom of will rather then blindly following what others tell me). This is just one of the many reason why I don't do religion.

Funny.... have you never considered that the Earth was indeed created 5774 (where the heck did this number come from anyway?) but made to look older and to have a past? Much like a novelist that thinks of a character, then creates a past for him or her?

[Dracula9]

I've considered it, but there's this awesome thing called science that's disproved that more than a few times. You could always go into the argument of time being relative and scientific discoveries to be relative to our current known method of existence, but then you go into dimensional and spatial points and inevitably divulge too far from the base topic.

Shit. Lucy's more than enough to disprove that theory.

Actually Lemuria is Mu. Mu is the short abbreviation for Lemuria. Like so; Le'Mu'ria. Lemuria is the lost Pacific continent whereas Atlantis is the lost Atlantic continent.

Really? Huh, I had never known that. I always thought they were separate locations (who cares, as long as they still have the three-eyed people!). The more you know.

[jestercolony]

My question is, why are we even trying to theorize all this for a Dracolich period? Now, from given from fantasy lore and some background (AD&D and such) this creature, before death was in fact a very powerful Dragon (sometimes very evil and cruel) and only a very powerful Necromancer can reanimate such a creature in to the world of man.

There is no 'prehistoric' concept about it, it is merely a Dragon reanimated as a "golem" in order to do it's powerful master's bidding.

[Mooning Freddy]

5774 (where the heck did this number come from anyway?)

Some complex Babylonian and medieval Jewish calculations, lol. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar#Anno_Mundi_.28AM.29

[Dracula9]

There is no 'prehistoric' concept about it, it is merely a Dragon reanimated as a "golem" in order to do it's powerful master's bidding.

Except the whole thing about that word popping up in its in-game bestiary entry.

"This massive creature, a remnant of the pre-historic past, died long before the Necromancers came to this land and was buried under tons of rock, eventually becoming a fossil."

And why is this theory a discussion? Same reason the rest of Lords was/is. Personal preferences getting stepped on. I just missed the initial train, so I have to board where I can.

And Babylonian mathematical formulas. Those things are the most headache of fun I've ever done in maths.

[TheouAegis]

Maybe the necromancers were the first to bring literacy and so anything that died before them was prehistoric. "Prehistoric" doesn't mean before humans, it means before written records.

But the whole abyss thing makes me scratch my head.

[Inccubus]

And who says there weren't Dragons in prehistory? The thunder-lizards aside. Most scientists agree that at best the fossil record represents about 2% of all actual species that lived. So maybe there were at some point in prehistory actual creatures that resembled dragons. Also take into account that the term prehistory encompasses 99.999999999% of all time since the big bang. Even the existence of humans on earth isn't even a blip on the timeline, let alone mere history.

[X]

And who says there weren't Dragons in prehistory? The thunder-lizards aside. Most scientists agree that at best the fossil record represents about 2% of all actual species that lived.

I watched a program on discovery channel a while back. It was narrated by Patrick Stewart and the show was about the possibilities of Dragons actually existing in Earth's pre-history. It was very interesting and it was also cool to see a Dragon go up against a T-Rex. But in the end the T-Rex lost due to the Dragon's breath weapon. Yeah, fire wins all arguments. However to me, fire as a breath weapon seems fairly unrealistic in the biological scale. An acid-spitting Dragon on the other hand is very realistic. Wouldn't want to get caught up in that mess.

[Kale]

You should read "On a Pale Horse" of the Incarnation of Immortality Series by Piers Anthony. I like the way they mention fire breathing of dragons in it a lot. It's not an instant wake up and flames all over. It's something they build up.