Topic: Richter Belmont vs. Gabriel (Dracula)

[Zetheraxza]

It is a Weapon of Alchemy. While it is used for all-purpose enemies, it has a stake especially designed for Vampires. Gabriel took many hits but the stake to the heart "killed" him.

[Intersection]

It is a Weapon of Alchemy. While it is used for all-purpose enemies, it has a stake especially designed for Vampires. Gabriel took many hits but the stake to the heart "killed" him.

The Combat Crosses in LoS don't have anything to do with Alchemy. And there's nothing to suggest that they had any supernatural properties; they were simply a series of particularly effective and well-crafted weapons. In LoS, Gabriel's weapon was named "Vampire Killer" only because of its bloody reputation -- not because of any inherent power against darker creatures.
And the weapon used by Trevor and Simon was a replica, and not the original weapon Gabriel wielded -- he shattered it after his fight against the Forgotten One.

The canon Vampire Killer was forged through alchemy, and had been imbued with Sara's soul in LoI. Hence its legendary power and sensibility against creatures of the night.

So, in theory, Gabriel's CC and Richter's VK should be two very different weapons.

[Flame]

The Combat Crosses in LoS don't have anything to do with Alchemy.

Considering it was also made by Rinaldo, the LoS incarnation, can you be sure of that?

Also, you take a look at the way that long ass chain fits inside the hilt and you tell me that's not some magic bullshit.

 

And there's nothing to suggest that they had any supernatural properties; they were simply a series of particularly effective and well-crafted weapons.

Supernatural? well, Holy.

Yes. When the chain was made it was forged using holy water, and then blessed. So it's especially effective against dark creatures. (the original Combat Cross, mind you- we know nothing about Trevor's version)

In LoS, Gabriel's weapon was named "Vampire Killer" only because of its bloody reputation -- not because of any inherent power against darker creatures.

Actually, it's called Vampire Killer because of the stake attachment

So, in theory, Gabriel's CC and Richter's VK should be two very different weapons.

Classic Canon Vampire Killer would definitely be stronger, since it was specifically made to kill vampires, through the sacrifice of Sara's soul.

While the Combat Cross is simply a Holy attribute weapon with a Vampire killing stake on the end.

that said, there must be something special about that Stake, given that Alucard went back to fetch it. You'd think that any stake would do, but the specific "Vampire Killer" Combat Cross stake is what was needed. I suppose it might also have been forged with Holy water and Rinaldo magic.

[darkwzrd4]

Despite that the Combat Cross is made with holy water and is blessed, I believe that the Vampire Killer from the original timeline is stronger. It was meant for destroying "the children of the night". In LoI, it was able to neutralize the Ebony Stone's protection, something which no other weapon was capable of doing. The Combat Cross, although made in part using holy water instead of regular water and being blessed, is still a standard weapon that does extra damage to monsters. Let's look at Gabriel's battle against Camilla. At the start of the battle, she was in a force field and Gabriel had no way to piece it. The only reason he was able to win is because she lowered her barrier after Gabriel killed the first wave of minions. Had she never lowered her barrier, Gabriel would not have been able to harm her. Given what we know able the VK from the old timeline, it probably would be able to neutralize that barrier.

[Flame]

There's also the fact that as far as Classic Belmonts go, the Holy attribute comes from them, not the whip. The whip  is anything but Holy.

[Chernabogue]

Gabriel/Dracula has a beard. He wins. Except against Julius.

[X]

Haha! It's all about the Goatees.

Based on all the evidence I've seen from both the original timeline and the LoS universe, provided by the following people here on the forums, I'd have to say that Gabula and his combat Cross would not beat Richter Belmont armed with the Vampirekiller. For starters Gabula does not have the mystical bloodline of the Belmont family allowing him supreme powers over other lesser hunters, and secondly his Combat Cross is nowhere equal in power to Richter's vampirekiller. It might take Richter a while to beat down Gabula because as someone here had said before, Gabula is a tank. But I do think Richter would come out as the victor.

[Lelygax]

Gabriel/Dracula has a beard. He wins. Except against Julius.

But Hammer have a beard too and isnt that strong.

[The Puritan]

But Hammer have a beard too and isnt that strong.

This. If I read Shiroi's Ricordanza of the God's Abyss translation right, he fricking pulled the head off an Axe Knight.

[Dark Nemesis]

But Hammer have a beard too and isnt that strong.

You haven't seen him in action, did you? How he survived all alone in the entrance of the castle, without getting killed by monsters?

[Shiroi Koumori]

This. If I read Shiroi's Ricordanza of the God's Abyss translation right, he fricking pulled the head off an Axe Knight.

You haven't seen him in action, did you? How he survived all alone in the entrance of the castle, without getting killed by monsters?

Yup. Yup.
Hammer's strong. It is a shame that he was not included in the Julius mode of DoS.

[darkwzrd4]

He could have be given special strength enhancing drugs when he was in the army. You know so the soldiers can endure a lot more and perform at a higher level. Or, perhaps his strength is an inherited trait like the Belmont's "holy" power.

[Lelygax]

He could have be given special strength enhancing drugs when he was in the army. You know so the soldiers can endure a lot more and perform at a higher level. Or, perhaps his strength is an inherited trait like the Belmont's "holy" power.

Or maybe he have this ring that makes you stronger depending of how many cash you have. That would explain a lot of things xD

[darkwzrd4]

Or maybe he have this ring that makes you stronger depending of how many cash you have. That would explain a lot of things xD

Maybe he has a couple Rings of Varda. I mean in SotN one made you pretty powerful. Two made you overpowered.

[X]

Maybe he has a couple Rings of Varda. I mean in SotN one made you pretty powerful. Two made you overpowered.

Love that ring. I always get two of them.