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Re: The first sign rises with the full moon.
« Reply #1290 on: May 21, 2015, 07:56:33 AM »
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^Agreed.

It may not be IGA's best game, but at least it'll be the one he wanted to make.

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« Reply #1291 on: May 21, 2015, 08:13:57 AM »
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I'm pretty easy to please, I thought PoR was good (or at least I look back and remember enjoying it) and I know some here in the Dungeon were knocking on it. Beyond gameplay, which I'm giving IGA the benefit of the doubt and imagine it'll be high quality like all of his games, and music (which we know will rock) and graphics (which is kind of a moot point); I'm most looking forward to exploring this new world IGA is creating, learning its lore and story. Could I get dissapointed in this aspect? Probably, but I'm sure the rest of the game will make up for it.

If not? Well, that's what you guys are here for. :3

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Re: The first sign rises with the full moon.
« Reply #1292 on: May 21, 2015, 08:55:32 AM »
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Haters gonna hate. People will likely tear it apart the way they tore apart POR and the DS one. People also tear apart kickstarters in general, often because they have no clue how many resources it takes to make a game, and have insane expectations.

This is going to make me sound like a grumpy old man but that is fine: Gamers on the whole these days are super entitled. When I was a kid being able to play a SNES game on another system was a far-off fantasy. The idea that I could have every game ever made at my fingertips is also something that only existed in my dreams. I hoped and prayed there would be another 2D Mario after SMW, and now we have people rolling their eyes at the most amazing CGI psychedelic 2D Marios ever. People are used to having it all and wanting more and whining about it endlessly if they don't get it. The power of the internet.

That being said, I think the true IGA fans will love this. I have my faults w some of the Igavanias but when I played them was totally sucked in and ABSOLUTELY IN LOVE with all of it. I could not understand why people didn't like the anime style. I could not understand why people didn't like Jonathan/Charlotte ("Charlotte is a waste of time just use Jonathan LOL"). Then again there were people upset that SOTN did not feature a burly man.

I don't understand those criticisms. I play these games and think "This is the kind of experience I don't get from other games". The attention to artwork, the variety in enemies (even if recycled, which will not be an issue now that he has to make everything from scratch), the music, the weird juxtapositions of steampunk elements, gothic horror, supernatural dark fantasy from around the world, etc. These games are unique and always true to themselves, and if Iga tries something new (like he tends to do each game to make it fresh) and falls on his face I will still probably be fine w that. At least he tried something new.

It is what separates these games from every other cookie-cutter shooter or RPG or action game out there.

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« Reply #1293 on: May 21, 2015, 09:25:59 AM »
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Gamers being entitled these days was something motivated by the publishers.

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Re: The first sign rises with the full moon.
« Reply #1294 on: May 21, 2015, 10:07:25 AM »
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My only big problem with the sidescrolling igavanias was always that they ended too quickly. I wanted more! But guess what? That is part of why they worked so well IMO. They never overstayed their welcome, and they ended on a high note, when I was still wanting more.

It's interesting how this "flaw" was actually why I was so f**king PUMPED every time a new game was released. Cause I never got bored of them. There simply wasn't time for that. Even the recycled levels and graphics in PoR was easy to stomach when the game was reasonably short. Adding 10 hours would not have made it any favours whatsoever though.

Now that these games are far and few between I am ready for a longer game though, or at least bigger. Just lemme in those castle gates and I will explore all of it. I'm looking forward slashing at walls and ceilings, looking for secret rooms and areas. I hope that's what we're getting!

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Re: The first sign rises with the full moon.
« Reply #1295 on: May 21, 2015, 10:30:58 AM »
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Let's not get too ahead of ourselves here. There's a distinction between "entitled" and wanting a quality product. Are you considered entitled when you order a steak and instead you're served lutefisk? When you buy a new car and it turns out to be a lemon (not the fruit)?

I think it's fair to criticize developers and publishers for shoddy products, without this feedback they don't know what areas require improvement. I loved Assassin's Creed when it came out, but it wasn't without it's faults. The media and gamers criticized Ubisoft for this and we got the absolutely amazing Assassin's Creed II in return. Were the media and gamers being entitled when they voiced their opinion on AC? I don't think so, but some may disagree.

When I start thinking of entitled gamers I think of those that whine, "Why isn't x feature there?/I don't like your artistic vision, change it!/etc."  This isn't criticism of the product, this is wanting the product to pander specifically to you and your tastes with no regard to the developer's artistic vision. These are the cries of entitlement, imo.

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Re: The first sign rises with the full moon.
« Reply #1296 on: May 21, 2015, 11:03:19 AM »
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Ok otm. Also kind of sorry i used that word, hope it doesn't offend anyone directly, it's just I'm trying to pin down the change from "I would give ANYTHING to have a Super Mario World 3" to "Oh no another Mario game Nintendo never does anything new <eyeroll>" Not that anyone in this thread is making that argument but I feel like that's the kind of fundamental shift games have undergone.

I understand not wanting a bad product but looking at Igas track record, it's been pretty flawless. He probably also has everyone in the world right now suggesting ways for him to do his game, so maybe we shd sit back and check out what HE has in store.

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« Reply #1297 on: May 21, 2015, 11:30:19 AM »
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be positive..that's all I'm gonna say

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« Reply #1298 on: May 21, 2015, 12:35:17 PM »
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I understand not wanting a bad product but looking at Igas track record, it's been pretty flawless

journey back to the cv dungeon (not just here but at several other forums) around 2003-2007 and read peoples general opinions on iga during his tenure as cv producer & metroidvania. entirely different place than it is now lol

1 quote i distinctly remember from someone, right around the time poultry of ruin was revealed was, "...well, here we go again."

i just think its interesting how general opinion went from "ughh we need a break from iga already" to "IGA welcome back we missed youuuu!!!"
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Re: The first sign rises with the full moon.
« Reply #1299 on: May 21, 2015, 01:00:21 PM »
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i just think its interesting how general opinion went from "ughh we need a break from iga already" to "IGA welcome back we missed youuuu!!!"

I know right?

I remember constantly having to defend IGA and his games when I first joined from people who where in love with the LOS reveal and constantly took dumps on IGA and his games at every turn.

Its weird seeing this board for the most part suddenly pro IGA all the sudden...
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Re: The first sign rises with the full moon.
« Reply #1300 on: May 21, 2015, 01:09:02 PM »
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Are you surprised? After the shit heap what was Lords of Shadow, everything that has happened lately has been amazing.

Thing about it. IGA is no longer going to be restricted by Konami. The man can finally do what he wants and how he wants to do it. He's not getting some shitty budget this time. He has support from everyone, especially his fans. Just take a look at his team. Michiru Yamane, David Hayter, Jake Kaufman, etc.

Order of Ecclesia was an AMAZING game and IGA was able to make it as such with such a small budget. Now just imagine what he's capable of doing with Bloodstained? I can't even fathom how fucking brilliant it's going to be. The man has nothing but passion and love thrown into his games and most of the time has made it work.

You don't know what you haven until it's gone. This is the case with all these IGA haters suddenly jumping ships after experiencing travesties such as the Lords of Shadow series.
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« Reply #1301 on: May 21, 2015, 01:12:50 PM »
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I have to admit I haven't used this forum for very long, and was more or less detached from videogames for most of 2000-2010 aside from retro emulators etc. I've never had an interest in 3D Vania but never gave the handheld titles a chance until only a year or two ago, and was blown away.

Let's stay positive, otm! It's kind of amazing this is happening right when Konami is kind of self-imploding, I'm sure that's a big reason for everyone suddenly into a new Igavania.

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« Reply #1302 on: May 21, 2015, 01:15:05 PM »
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Btw I think some people (maybe not on this board but others) are getting confused with Classic mode and thinking it will be an entirely 8-bit game, it seems like the 8-bit level is a separate thing and classic mode will be re-arranging of 2.5D assets. Maybe I'm the confused one =)

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« Reply #1303 on: May 21, 2015, 01:19:24 PM »
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I think the critism of IGA during that time was mostly because of Metroidvania fatigue. And of course around 2009 Dave Cox was spreading stories to anyone who was naive enough to believe it that LoS was going to be totally like SCIV but in 3D for the real fans, and as someone already mentioned in this thread, launching a smear campaign against the Metroidvanias. Couple that with the fact that MoF was a very pathetic replacement to the previous handheld games, which are all gems in their own right, and Konami's currently salting the earth while retreating their way out of the console industry, I think I can understand why people here are welcoming IGA back with open arms.

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Re: The first sign rises with the full moon.
« Reply #1304 on: May 21, 2015, 01:29:03 PM »
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It's perfectly fine to be tired of something and then welcome it back when a whoppin 7 years have passed. People are like that.

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