Topic: If Soma Could Absorb The Soul of a Belmont, What Type Would This Soul Be?

[theplottwist]

First we must make it clear that we've never seen Soma absorb a human soul before. Dmitrii was a special case. Soma did kill Graham Jones, but he got not soul from him and, in Dawn, he states - upon absorbing Dmitrii - that he has never gained dominance over a human soul before.

Therefore, this is mere a thought-experiment for fun purposes. I have my own hypothesis but I want to see yours first. Go!

[TatteredSeraph]

Hmm... tricky one.  Possibly either a silver soul which gives an amount of immunity to Holy magics and weapons, or a red bullet type soul that lets Soma wield a corrupted immitation of the Vampire Killer.  As a reference to LoS2, I'm picturing him wielding a blood whip.

[theplottwist]

Well, here is my reasoning:

To start researching the answer for this question, we need first to discover how to identify any trait of a Belmont's soul. Not many leads are ever given in the series, but I believe I have JUST the perfect evidence:



See, Death can obviously observe an individual's soul, and it tells the player that its color is one important trait of the soul of a Belmont. Furthermore, it can be deduced rather safely that Death recognizes Juste as being a Belmont because he has seen this trait of his soul - its color - a bunch of times in the past. So, Death recognizing the color of the soul of a Belmont right away tells me that, amongst Belmonts, this is a persistent trait AND and inherited trait.

Having said that, I believe that in Harmony we can TOO see the color of his soul. And its blue, as the outline in his sprite shows. Gameplay speaking this blue outline is meant to make the sprite pop BUT Circle of the Moon did the same thing using black. It looks like, to me, that since they had to add an outline, they decided to make it a special color to reflect something, and I think we can agree that it looks like an aura.

On some belief systems, the aura is believed to reflect the color of one's soul. In many of these cases, though, the color is a constantly changing atribute, not a fixed one, that gets altered as the person experiences certain emotions. But in Castlevania, this seems to not be the case, as the Sorrow games have shown. This is also the case in this very cutscene since Death manages to identify the color of Juste's soul even with him displaying a range of different emotions.

Beyond the technical reasons mentioned above (making the sprite pop out), one could argue that this blue outline merely reflects Juste's magic potential, and not in fact his soul - or a soul-reflecting aura. However, Maxim, who is NOT proficient in magic, ALSO has a colored outline. You can see it when you play Maxim Mode, and his aura is red:



Finally, Dracula Wraith ALSO has an aura of his own - yellow. Yet, his aura is a glowing one and not static like Juste's or Maxim's. This could suggest a number of things:

-The being/soul inside the being is not yet stabilized with the body, causing the aura to be unstable (and this instability is supported by the Wraith's own dialogue).
-It's not an aura representing the Wraith's soul, but something completelly different (an option I'm not too keen on, but also possible).

And that's it. My conclusion is that the soul of a Belmont is blue, and therefore is a Guardian Type soul. Of course, this conclusion means that Maxim's soul is a Bullet Type, and Dracula Wraith's is an Enchant Type. Curious how they reflect the main Soul Types of the Sorrow games, huh?

[zangetsu468]

It's interesting evidence. Something to ponder.

Not Dracula Wraith but the actual Dracula's soul could be all 3; as is Dominus.

As for a Belmont's soul, I'm not sure I believe it could be absorbed. Hypothetically one would assume immunity to Holy attacks.

However, we've only seen Dracula/ Mathias absorb souls which he has dominance over. If this was not the case , then he would've tried to absorb Jonathan's/ Charlotte's soul instead of death if he could have. Why? They were stronger than Death and had already defeated him once (assuming optional bosses are canon in this case because Death is a main recurring CV boss), and that would've evened Dracula's odds a lot better against either Jonathan/ Charlotte with a 3-vs-1 scenario.

If Soma won against Julius in AoS' non canon ending, who knows he could've absorbed his soul and been unstoppable. 

[X]

I personally don't believe Soma could absorb a human soul as they are not the same as souls of monsters or other misshapen creatures. Dmitrii himself wasn't absorbed by Soma but went willingly into Soma in order to carry out his last ditch effort. Even Soma himself was shocked to believe he gained dominance over a human soul which I'm sure he believed to be impossible, especially since human souls have one thing monsters don't; free will. You can't dominate something that has free will over its own existence unless it allows itself such.

However just for the thread's sake I think Soma's best chance at a powerful Belmont soul would probably be Julius' as he is the most powerful of the Belmonts after Richter.

[Super Waffle]

I bet it'd taste like chicken.

[Shiroi Koumori]

I think it can either be the enchant type or the ability type that grants Soma immunity.

[zangetsu468]

It may result in the scene from the matrix where Smith absorbs Neo and he is defeated :p

[Lumi Kløvstad]

It may result in the scene from the matrix where Smith absorbs Neo and he is defeated :p

Oh, you mean that scene from a LEAKED SCRIPT of that CANCELLED MOVIE? Yeah, that movie would have been goddamn horrifyingly terrible had it released. #StillInDenial

[shelverton.]

The quote "Your words are as empty as your soul" suddenly seems really inaccurate. Little did Richter know that Dracula has a 3-in-1 soul...

[zangetsu468]

Interesting that

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Sara's soul didn't automatically get absorbed into the Crimson Stone upon being struck and killed by Leon

but I guess that was the point of the ritual, and she wasn't completely tainted yet upon bring struck down. Heart wrenching stuff that :/

[X]

Interesting that

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Sara's soul didn't automatically get absorbed into the Crimson Stone upon being struck and killed by Leo

Maybe it's because she and the vampirekiller are now one and the same entity. Like a soul in a body it can't be taken unless something happens to the 'physical' vessel in question, as the soul would be chained to it. Thus this prevents the powers of the Crimson stone for absorbing Sara's soul.

[theplottwist]

Yeah, except that it was Death who stole Walter's soul, not the Crimson Stone. That's why I uphold to this day that Mathias did NOT receive the power of Dominance in Lament, but later when he turned into the Demon King.

Death stole Walter's soul because he was dying, and put it inside the Crimson Stone for Mathias. Death was merely doing what he always does - stealing the soul of dying beings. We've seen Death do that in at least one Game Over screen, and IGA has already said he does that and traps these souls inside candles/turns them into candles.

The Crimson Stone doesn't have soul-stealing powers. It can CONTAIN a soul and use it to power its owner, but not steal one. This is never explicitly stated, of course, but we can infer it doesn't have such powers because, if it had, then Mathias wouldn't need Death to steal Walter's soul for him.

Just watch by yourselves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIvkKw4EtCU

(Sorry, the video linking is really finicky, so you'll have to watch it on Youtube)

It's interesting evidence. Something to ponder.

Not Dracula Wraith but the actual Dracula's soul could be all 3; as is Dominus.

Could be, but if we go by what the Game Over screen of Dawn of Sorrow is implying - that Death is holding Soma's soul - and Soma's soul is the same as Dracula's, then Dracula's soul is also of the Guardian type:



But, of course, this could simply not be Soma's soul. Or it could, but the soul itself underwent some change from its Dracula days to get reincarnated.

[zangetsu468]

The Iga timeline states that "each slain vampire only adds to the growing power of Dracula", which seems to contradict it holding only one soul. (Context being in between LOI>CVIII). Whether it was Death doing that for him at the time is  feasible, he does say that as long as his master (Mathias) survives he can return from the dead.

As for Mathias not having "received/ absorbed" Walter's power, that's not true. There was a thread which discussed this some time ago. I had put it to everyone as to why unless the Castle in LOI had not crumbled when Walter did. At the point his soul was absorbed he was no longer Lord of the Castle, Mathias had taken that Lordship.

-Walter's Soul is absorbed into the Crimson Stone
-Mathias enters, makes it a point to tell Leon about his scheme, etc
-Mathias flees leaving Death to battle Leon
-Upon Death's defeat the castle crumbles

Mathias instructs Death to handle Leon. The castle did not crumble when Mathias entered the throne room, nor when he instructed Death to kill Leon.
Being this is Bernhard Castle (and not Castlevania) it's reasonable to assume that upon Walter's Death, Mathias did indeed take Lordship of his Castle which is why it didn't fall when Walter died. If every slain Vampire attributes to Dracula's power, then I see no reason why the same doesn't apply here, at this moment.

Additionally, Lordship of a castle seems to have to be passed to another Vampire if the original Lord perishes. We see this in both canon and non canon endings in LOI. In the non canon ending where Joachim wins he is seem sitting on the throne and laughing, having defeated Walter and become Lord of his castle. The castle is still intact and has not crumbled because he's chosen Lordship. When Leon defeated Walter the Castle would've crumbled, only his soul went into the Crimson Stone and Mathias assumed the Castle's Lordship, leaving the last battle to Death. With no Vampire to claim Lordship of the castle, it fell apart. Leon could not claim it because he wasn't a Vampire, he didn't have that option.

Therefore, Mathias was already The Lord of the vampires by LOI's ending. He turns into a swarm of bats and flies off. Mathias doesn't one day become "Dracula" by some magical occurrence, it is stated in LOI's ending he goes into foreign Lands and eventually assumes the title of "The Lord of Vampires/ King of the Night" which imo is a reference to the Dracula name. At least the timeline alludes to this. 

[theplottwist]

The Iga timeline states that "each slain vampire only adds to the growing power of Dracula", which seems to contradict it holding only one soul.

If this response is for me, then I don't remember saying the stone can only hold ONE soul. With "contain a soul" I wasn't being literal. I was just describing the stone's abilities.

And if it can only hold ONE soul, then it doesn't really contradict this statement on the timeline. Power doesn't mean only "magical power". If you're a powerful vampire amongst many, with each vampire slain your competition diminishes. The pool of "powerful vampires" gets smaller. Of course you become more powerful.

As for Mathias not having "received/ absorbed" Walter's power, that's not true.

Again, if this is for me, I don't remember saying anything about Mathias NOT receiving or absorbing Walter's power. What I said is that the stone doesn't have soul-stealing powers, and it was Death who put Walter's soul inside the stone - which belongs to Mathias. Once the soul is inside the stone, of course it becomes property of the stone's owner. Mathias himself says that, even.

But again, the stone itself can't steal souls. It doesn't display such powers, and if it did, then Mathias wouldn't need Death to do it for him.

Therefore, Mathias was already The Lord of the vampires by LOI's ending. He turns into a swarm of bats and flies off. Mathias doesn't one day become "Dracula" by some magical occurrence, it is stated in LOI's ending he goes into foreign Lands and eventually assumes the title of "The Lord of Vampires/ King of the Night" which imo is a reference to the Dracula name. At least the timeline alludes to this.

Being the lord of the vampires, and being the Dark Lord/Demon King are wildly different things. I'm not disputing when Mathias became the lord of vampires, but I am saying there is no way he became the Dark Lord at the end of LoI.