Topic: LoS: Why do some fans hate it?

[C Belmont]

I chose plot for my main reason
Castlevania's original story was so darn simple it would have been dead easy to weave a good yarn around it while keeping true to it's core elements but instead MS decided to intentionally turn everything on it's head, in what could be regarded as an elaborate cry for attention aimed at increasing their sales just like everything else in that game.

True. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the younger kids did outnumbered us; I'm not sure how many 25-30 year olds participate on forums these days. O__o

With the abundance of roms & emulators on the internet and the Virtual Console it's entirely possible to be a young-ish fellah and have played through all the classics before picking up the metroidvania's I went from SNES to NES to Genesis to GBA to DS & PS2 to PSX. A bit out of order but I definately didn't start with the Metroidvania's.

[Kingshango]

I wanted to make a thread about it but I think I could just ask it here instead:

To all the ones that were "indifferent" to LOS1, would you check out the sequel if Mercurysteam adressed the problems it had and made an effort to make it look like Castlevania? I know the only info we have on the game is that it's using a new engine with better framerate and will be bigger in scale than LOS1(so large it's gonna be on two disk's again on 360) but with all that tech stuff aside, if LOS2 was shown a whip weilding hero going up against Dracula(he's gonna be in LOS2 without a doubt) with a kick ass gothic orchestral rendition of Bloody Tears in the background with skeletons, armored knights, medusa heads, bone pillers and various other Castlevania monsters all over the place inside of a gothic castle, would you still check it out?

[Flame]

I'm an old-school Castlevania fan, and I thoroughly enjoyed the game despite how vastly different it was from the previous games. However, I have noticed that most of the crowd that hate the game grew up with IGAvanias, and this is their first time experiencing a series that they were familiar with change its direction, much like in 1997 when some Classicvania fans were angry with SoTN. Just my two cents.

while that may have something to it, just FYI, My first vania was Aria. im an IGA kid, and I loved LoS. Granted, I do see the issues with it, and I can see what others might not like.

my main gripe is the music- Its nice, but they reuse all the tracks so many times as atmospheric music, when it probably should have just plain had more tracks.

Bestiary i see no issue with, since almost every monster named in it has been in castlevania before. (except for surprisingy, the giant spiders. i dont think CV has had those before, strangely) including the "LoTR" ones. (Wargs were introduced in SoTN)

QTE's do bother me a bit, but they didnt interrupt my experience too much. The Titan fights were cool and epic feeling, but it IS a bit odd that they tried almost NOTHING to hide the fact that it was inspired by SoTC. Then again, not much you can do to hide that... maybe just make them giant boss fights with only occasional grappling weak spots?

regular combat I see nothing wrong with. Combos and special moves were fun to use. It actually, bothers me when people compare it to GoW. All because GoW is a hack n slash doesnt mean it introduced that concept.

I found the combos and such much more usable than in LoI. And much more effective.

As for the plot? Eh. I dont mind. It was interesting. It was something new. Gabriel becoming Dracula could have been better done if they put more time into his fall. The Forgotten One plot device was just too cheap. "Oh you need to become a vampire to fight this guy." "Ok im a vampire now imma kill this guy and become evil now."

His faith was already shaken throughout his adventure because his wife was dead, and he was being fed the idea that he revels in death like the bad guys. He barely slept at all anymore, and eventually found out he killed his own wife, and did all that nice shit like killing satan, and STILL could not get his wife back. where Reverie starts is fine. Hes standing there, questioning his faith and such. But The Forgotten one was terribly forced. They should have left his fall for the sequel, much like we got the flash forward epilogue.

I dunno. But his fall do darkness was done way too quickly and forced.

other than that, I dont mind the setting either. it was really beautiful. Too much Agharta maybe, but it more than makes up for the fantasy realm with the Land of the Vampires and the Necromancer's abyss.

To all the ones that were "indifferent" to LOS1, would you check out the sequel if Mercurysteam adressed the problems it had and made an effort to make it look like Castlevania? I know the only info we have on the game is that it's using a new engine with better framerate and will be bigger in scale than LOS1(so large it's gonna be on two disk's again on 360) but with all that tech stuff aside, if LOS2 was shown a whip weilding hero going up against Dracula(he's gonna be in LOS2 without a doubt) with a kick ass gothic orchestral rendition of Bloody Tears in the background with skeletons, armored knights, medusa heads, bone pillers and various other Castlevania monsters all over the place inside of a gothic castle, would you still check it out?

Just the indifferent people? That's kind of what the people who DISLIKE LoS want. They want what they know, and dont like when it's different.

[A-Yty]

I don't know..there are some things they have already ruined. Things like Death being a necromancer instead of a mysterious god-like entity, Dracula being an emo wreck seeking to die instead of being an affably evil relentless antagonist etc.

[Charlotte-nyo:3]

No, because I want a precise point that make people hating LoS, and not having a full trolling response.

But did you consider that maybe some people don't like it because of all of those things and wouldn't really just say so due to trolling?

[C Belmont]

except for surprisingy, the giant spiders. i dont think CV has had those before, strangely

both Castlevania 2 & 4 have giant spiders if I recall correctly, oh and legends does as well I think

[A-Yty]

I'm pretty sure DC had big spiders too.

[Ahasverus]

Make LoS with Yaoi designs and yamane composition's keeping gameplay intact and you get those alucadrfans a collective orgasm.

[crisis]

They should have Ms. Kojima do the artwork for the next game, it'll give it some much needed dignity. They need all the help they can get in that department (amongst others).

[Kingshango]

They should have Ms. Kojima do the artwork for the next game, it'll give it some much needed dignity. They need all the help they can get in that department (amongst others).

I thought the artwork was pretty good in LOS, if anything many praised the art more than the actual game itself(not to mention that sweet japanese boxart cover).

Though I would love to see Ms. Kojima's rendition of Gabriel.

[crisis]

It was good sketchwork, but for the sequel they need to put more effort into it. I would love to see Kojima's artwork on an actual box again.


Leon praying whilst grasping the Holy Whip is way more fitting & mysterious than LoS' "look how tough i am with my giant chest & clawz" Gabriel giving me the stink-eye (though he did have cool hair in the illustrated version, & the moonlit castle)

[A-Yty]

I liked LoS's art more than the later Kojima works. She seems to do her best work outside of Castlevania these days. And frankly, enough is enough.

[Inccubus]

True. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the younger kids did outnumbered us; I'm not sure how many 25-30 year olds participate on forums these days. O__o

I'm turning 34 in a couple of months.

[crisis]

Who has two thumbs, is 26 but looks like a teenager, still lives at home with his parents & logs onto a forum to debate with impressionable youths about random topics?

[Reinhart77]

don't hate the game at all.  am a bit less enthused about it than i could be though.  perhaps that's because it feels like a "different Castlevania"?  but i do accept it as being Castlevania.

i appreciate all of the love and effort that went into the game, and cringe a little bit when i hear it completely bashed. 

it was quite an experience to play that game and i have fond memories of playing through it.  the combat itself wasn't all that "fun" though.  i don't see myself replaying this game as often for the thrill of it as i would Lament of Innocence.