Topic: LoS: Why do some fans hate it?

[A-Yty]

it's funny how there are a lot more European LoS lovers defending it than anyone else.. prolly because fellow Europeans made it. damn haterz. i mean, even i hate us.

Really? I haven't noticed. Could, be but I can't think of anything that supports this. Unless Sumac and Ahasverus are both European   

[K.G. Morder]

I'm American, bro. ALso, Not all parts of Agarta were nice mind you, but a good part of it was pretty pretty in my opinion. Some parts more than others, though I cant recall area names right now.

[crisis]

I'm American, bro.

i'm just playing with you, baby..


All this talk giving me the urge to hook up my snes & play SCIV now, and then play LoS.

[Harrycombs]

Dull? I thought it looked very good!
Were you expecting orange and blue?

It was visually uninspired. It was nothing I hadn't seen before, there was nothing that really stood out.

[TheouAegis]

The series IS as good as dead already. LoS isn't part of the series, it's some kind of Euromix. People fall in love with Euromixes and party the night away, but once the drugs wear off it's just a bunch of repetitive, uninspiring crap. ... Yes, I'm talking about music in the same breath.

When a game series is no longer a challenge to ANYONE, it can be considered dead. The metroidvanias lacked any challenge (until OoE came along, but even that's pretty easy on the whole) andnow it's progressed to just being games of tedium.

You don't see Capcom making Ghosts'n'Goblins in 3D. It's still 2D and still as fucking difficult as it ever was. Capcom and SNK Playmore continue to make 2D games that sell. As much as I dislike either of them, the fact remains they don't simply hop on the bandwagon and grind out Snausages (well, Playmore grinds out Snausages, but they spice it up).

Companies still make 2D fighters. Gamers still buy 2D fighters. Companies make 2D platformers. Gamers still buy 2D platformers.  2D isn't dead and doesn't make a game series dead. Only how it's implemented. I know some people that absolutely love Mario DS even though they've beaten it time and time again. I know some people that love that Mario on the Wii. I know people that will buy a new 2D fighter as soon as it comes out on the market. And I know people that will buy 2D platformers when they come out on the market. The problem is most game companies no longer try to make good 2D platformers.

And if 2D is do dead, why are Maple Story, Trickster Online, Grand Chase, La Tale, and similar games still online and making their companies money? (All of those are 2D MMORPGs.)

... Wait, what the hell was this thread's topic again?

[Kingshango]

2D gaming is not dead, it's been living on through indie games and thanks to XBLA, PSN, mobile gaming platforms, and Steam we're still being treated with some 2D goodness.

However, as far as mainsteam retail 2D games is concerned, lets just say if your not named Mario or Sonic, consider yourself DOA.

*Pour's a 40 for Rayman* 

[Neobelmont]

I love the game story was good enough too me different universe like marvel ulitimate yadayada game looked awesome from an artistic direction for me much better that devil may cry ninja gaiden imo to me everything was good except one thing. Every one is like the story the music ect as a source of disliking or hating los but for me it's the controls and platforming. At somepoint the controls just felt odd to me like a camer change or the dodge mechanic was just a second to slow and the platforming was boring no fear of failing or falling the only place I felt like there was platforming was at the clock tower and that was slow and short is jumping with platforms in 3d so hard? One more thing was the frame rate when you fight the sliver warrior I saw and somehow felt the difference in speed and I am thinking why could this not be as fast. One thing I hope is that the next game fixes a whole lot of these problems like simple control over camera angles I wanted to see everything in the game and yet I could not see anything and those invisible walls darn those walls. Yes Los is a good game but somethings just outweight otherthings overall I just hope these things can be fixed and well that is my problem with los.

[C Belmont]

However, as far as mainsteam retail 2D games is concerned, lets just say if your not named Mario or Sonic, consider yourself DOA.

and what about Kirby? or Donkey Kong Country? or Metroid? they weren't DOA

I find it difficult to believe that nobody wants to play 2D games when big name franchises are creating them and experiencing sucess it would be the same as saying FPS are well on their way out (I wish!) despite their having been a string of sucessfull games from that genre.

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

and what about Kirby? or Donkey Kong Country? or Metroid? they weren't DOA

I find it difficult to believe that nobody wants to play 2D games when big name franchises are creating them and experiencing sucess it would be the same as saying FPS are well on their way out (I wish!) despite their having been a string of sucessfull games from that genre.

Wait where was a 2.D metroid game at?

Last one I remember is Metroid Zero.

If your for some reasons including Metroid other M that game is actually not a 2.D adventure since it only features a 2.D camera at certain parts of the game while the player still is able to move in 3.D.

[C Belmont]

your for some reasons including Metroid other M that game is actually not a 2.D adventure since it only features a 2.D camera at certain parts of the game while the player still is able to move in 3.D.

Yes I was including Metroid other M but even if it doesn't technically count I forgot Street Fighter & Marvel Vs Capcom anyway which adds two more popular franchises that have decided to stick with 2D gameplay and been successful.

[Kingshango]

and what about Kirby? or Donkey Kong Country? or Metroid? they weren't DOA

Those are also exceptions that I forgot to mention but I listed Sonic and Mario as the biggest examples. All are well known game franchises that all got recent installment's over the last decade but Rayman's case is a little different. Rayman didn't had a single stand alone game since 2003 and the last 2D game he was in was released in 1995. It also didn't help that Rayman Origins had next to know advertisment and was was quite literally (and maybe even intentionally by Ubisoft so that they can have vindication to kill Rayman for good) sent to be slaughtered in November.

[K.G. Morder]

I'll never understand why they moved away from Rayman 1 to make it all edgy and grimdark. Rayman was so fucking trippy. It still stands as one of the most BEAUTIFUL 2D platformers I have EVER seen from it's time.

Although even if they had stuck with the original 2D platforming for Rayman 2 like they originally planned, it seems it still had a slightly darker tone to it.

[Sumac]

it's funny how there are a lot more European LoS lovers defending it than anyone else.. prolly because fellow Europeans made it.

Looks like this "cowboy" try to find another pathetic excuse for a reason why people could like LOS. Iremember someone said before that people who like LOS are not real fans of it and have some agenda in their mind. Now this cracked pan, says that some people like LOS because it was done in Europe.
Anything goes, just not to accept the fact that some people liked LOS for what it is and accepted it as Castlevania game. Such sad fanboyism. 

[DragonSlayr81]

I'll never understand why they moved away from Rayman 1 to make it all edgy and grimdark. Rayman was so fucking trippy. It still stands as one of the most BEAUTIFUL 2D platformers I have EVER seen from it's time.

The same reason there are QTEs-aplenty in a lot of video games, the trend dictates it. And that's probably the best word to use regarding it, trend doesn't ask, it TELLS you want to do to be "trendy" and "popular". Remember, for a while, the whole "Edgey" thing was popular? Kinda like, in the 90s, the whole "EXTREME" thing was popular and trendy. Urgh. I tend to abhore trends because it's the most effective means of mindless conformity. When trends are "in", you love that thing like it's the most important thing in the world. Then, in a second, it's "out" and suddnely people just act like, "Oh yeah, I NEVER really liked it! Dump that crap into the trash, because this NEW trend is my REAL passion!". I was also against and out of trend(out of trend to the trendy) because I liked what I liked and didn't what I didn't, and my preference was not going to be dictated by people, pop culture or the changing of decades. Now, that doesn't mean I live in the past, but it DOES mean that I take what I want when I find it appealing to myself. Even if it happens to be in trend, if I like it, find it appealing, I'll like it even when it's out of trend. I'm loyal to what I like, because what I like, believe it or not, makes me happy. If something makes you smile, gives you that good feeling, be it playing a game, listening to music, watching a movie or such, trend be damned. 

[crisis]

The LoS bandwagon trend has died down a lot recently. It doesn't seem to be that memorable amongst gaming boards anymore. Hmmmm I wonder why, for a game that was supposed to bring the series back into the spotlight.