Topic: LoS: Why do some fans hate it?

[Sumac]

Last words from me.

Doesn't look like it.

If the so called masterpiece LoS is so accepted by fans as the true 3D Castlevania game, then why Konami and Mercury steam they went into trouble and make a poll about how fans found the game and what did they thought was missing and what they would like to see more?

It is completely normal to make a poll about opinions. No need to create conspiracies where there is none.

Some people should underestand that they belong in minority and if Konami with Mercury steam, didn't get what hardcore fans want and just make another clone, at least for me i would consider the series dead.

The only problem - it is harcore fans who is in minority, because it's casual gamers who make money, first and foremost.
Consider whatever you want - as long as new games released in the series - it is alive, no matter what some fanboys think.

I have abandon silent hill and final fantasy, since they went for the casual market and they have forgoten the old fans of the series, all in the name of money.

Reeks of fanboy butthurt so much: "the game wasn't tailored to meeee!!! I hate it, I will not buy it!!" So what? Did Silent Hill died without you? Did Final Fantasy died without you? Nope. It's should be a clue that your opinion amounts to nothing in the big picture. And all this epic "I abandon the fandom" does nothing to anyone. Except for the people who likes some fandom dramas, I guess.

So what? They made a decision on what direction the series should take off, so now why are they backing off?

Who said that they are backing off?

Count how many active users have this forum and then count, how many of them have the same passion for LoS, as you do.

CVD is a pretty old forum and most of the its members were / are fans of Castlevania since its early days. It is obvious, that most of the "old fans"'s sympathy automatically lies with the old games. It is completely normal (while sad) for the old fanbases.

Alas, if the companies and fanbase, they couldn't survive without me. You can't call me that i'm not a true fan, when companies sold me out for money, by turning some serious video games to saturday morning cartoons.
Not really, since these days, companies seem to not care about fans, but only money. I really miss the old days, where games were simple.

Ha-ha-ha. That's brilliant. As much as illogical.
Sorry, baby, but we are not in 1992 anymore.
The only reason why developers in the 90-s cared about fans is because they...surprise...wanted to make money. And back then fans opinions really mattered, since games were pretty small scale business. There weren't million budgets and several hundreds people could pay off the development.

Nowadays, things changed. The only series that actually need fanbases are small niche "old school" series that most of the (casual) gamers will not buy, because they don't appreciate them as people who were raised in the 90-s. Developers of those niche games need to pray for their fans to buy they product. While most of the big budget titles could survive solely by agressive marketing campain, name appeal and special effects. Fanbases are mostly obsolete as they were, because they are not the ones who make millions for game industry. They whines and cries are essentially is a annoying noise, that developers willingly don't give a damn (and why they should - times changes, technology changes, hardware changes, cost changes). If fandoms still dicatated to developers what kind of games they want to see, I think game industry wouldn't go past SNES style games, since every time when someone tried to make some new approach to the series, fanbases would go into RAGE. Happily it's not the case nowadays. In the end as I said before - your opinion doesn't matter. It's your average Joes, not hundreds of "loyal fans", who buy most of the new games and make money. And in general industry cares about them, not the crowd of old fans, in which many people still think that games should be like in 199x. And since games always were made to make money (no need to be all romantical about past - developers never worked for cookies). The ones who pay decide what the games will be.
HINT: It's not you.

All awards have about the same credibility; near zero. If they handed Araujo a VIDEO GAME music award, it proves how capable they are at identifying appropriate video game music. In this case, not at all capable.

I like how every time, when critics opinios doesn't go along with opinion of fans, those people immdeately say that said awards doesn't worth anything.
It's like a template nowadays. Personally I'll go with critics opinions, since they kind of understand what they talking about. You? Just a random name on the internet. No hard feelings.

[Vrakanox]

A lot of older games were created though because it was genuinely what the developers vision was. It's like a lot of indie games today. Not all games are created just for the sole purpose of creating revenue. If they were every game would be Call of Duty, WoW, or God of War. Castlevania took a main stream direction with Lords of Shadow to make more money but we can't lump every single game into that category.

[Sindra]

*sees thread title*

Goddammit, Chern. You know better than to open this can of worms.


Do I have to get the squirt bottle and rolled up newspaper?

[Flame]

bit too late for that.

[Vladlucif]

Hey everyone, new to the forum but not the games.  Just thought I throw in my $0.02 even though most of you will probably hate me for it.  Overall I actually like LOS, there are some things I think they definitely should've done differently (music, some of the monsters, and not go back and forth between levels already completed, the DLC's, etc.) but otherwise I liked it.  A lot of people don't like that a Belmont becomes Dracula but I think it was a good twist and with the sequel they could do something cool with it.  What if Gabriel and Marie had a son or daughter before Marie was murdered (didn't make a mention of it obviously but they could still work it in) and before Gabriel goes on his quest for revenge he leaves the child with the Brotherhood of Light to raise.  Then years pass and Dracula starts doing what he does so they send them off to fight him and maybe that's why the Belmonts and Dracula always have to battle because the Belmonts are descended from Dracula.  Maybe I didn't mind it as much because I knew it was going to be different than the originals because I waited awhile before I played it.  CV1-3 would be pretty bad ass if they did them over with new graphics and 3D but with the same exact layouts and a real band playing the music all in one game package, maybe that would placate some of the fans.

[Flame]

Hate? Naw, thats a pretty reasonable opinion.

I feel more or less the same. Went in with an open mind expecting something completely different, and what I saw was very different, yet familiar at the same time, and although I enjpyed it, I still think certain things could have been done better. But I wont hold it against the game and the team, since this is Mercurysteam and Konami of Europe's first attempt at Castlevania, and a Castlevania with creative license at that. It's ok if the first try isnt perfect, because regardless, it was still pretty damn good for what it was. I have moderately good hopes for the sequel, and I am pretty sure it will be better than LoS.

[Claimh Solais]

Me personally? I don't hate LoS.

In fact, I think it's far superior to any other Castlevania game I've ever played. I wouldn't mind the LoS universe taking over now.

Yeah, I said it.

[crisis]

Me personally? I don't hate LoS.

In fact, I think it's far superior to any other Castlevania game I've ever played. I wouldn't mind the LoS universe taking over now.

Yeah, I said it.

i agree

[Rugal]

You know what else I hate about this fucking game? That Slogra Statue. Why in the FUCK would you tease us with this before the game comes out and then have it be nothing but a lifeless inanimate object? I was waiting the entire game for a boss fight with Slogra ever since I saw that concept art of him, but nope! He's just a statue!

Fucking dumb.

[Flame]

You know what else I hate about this fucking game? That Slogra Statue. Why in the FUCK would you tease us with this before the game comes out and then have it be nothing but a lifeless inanimate object? I was waiting the entire game for a boss fight with Slogra ever since I saw that concept art of him, but nope! He's just a statue!

Fucking dumb.

*Corpse


he will likely show up down the road.

[Rugal]

*Corpse


he will likely show up down the road.

Does it really matter if it's a corpse or a statue? Either way, in the end it's just one gigantic cock tease for anyone who was waiting to see it.

[Corpsecrank]

You forgot an "all of the above" option.

Thank you!

But seriously the game is shit and has nothing to do with castlevania except having the castlevania name affixed to it which is a damned shame. It should have been a new game entirely not something with the title castlevania. I mean they do have the right to make new games similar to their other games with a different name on them since they came up with all the ideas anyhow and it would have prevented pissing of castlevania fans as well so what would have been wrong with doing that? Oh right a new game wouldn't have brought in the big bucks at release as it wouldn't have the immense fanbase the castlevania name carries around with it. Sorry I forgot this all comes down to money at the end of the day.

The last several titles on console have been awful. PS2 had 2 of the worst castlevania games ever and the douchebag behind them claimed that the N64 games were bad. Funny enough I actually enjoyed the N64 games quite a bit as compared to the PS2 games which made me wand to use the discs for clay pidgeons. And then there is judgement for the Wii which isn't really castlevania and there is this game which isn't castlevania and I have a feeling there will be more castlevania games that aren't really castlevania.

I don't mind the metroidvania games. I wouldn't mind a 3D game either but seriously they just keep pumping out garbage and expecting fans to snarf it right up. Sadly to many do and for pathetic reasons like "collecting" or "completion" or whatever. Stop supporting the crap games so they can start making good ones again already...

[crisis]

Sadly to many do and for pathetic reasons like "collecting" or "completion" or whatever.

*slowly hides his pachislot machines behind his couch*

[Sumac]

Oh right a new game wouldn't have brought in the big bucks at release as it wouldn't have the immense fanbase the castlevania name carries around with it. Sorry I forgot this all comes down to money at the end of the day.

As if it wasn't about money before...

I don't mind the metroidvania games. I wouldn't mind a 3D game either but seriously they just keep pumping out garbage and expecting fans to snarf it right up. Sadly to many do and for pathetic reasons like "collecting" or "completion" or whatever. Stop supporting the crap games so they can start making good ones again already...

Not fans decide what developers will produce, but marketing, trends and technology. There is simply not enough fans (if it is not Mario) to make any siginificant impact on development or sales. And as long sales prove that product was good, what old fans think doesn't matter in the big picture.

[X]

*slowly hides his pachislot machines behind his couch*

LOL!!