Topic: LoS: Why do some fans hate it?

[thernz]

Nope, they're cave trolls in every English Metroidvania and Chupacabras in every Japanese version. It's one of the weird names they never decided to change for some reason, whereas they tended to weed out the rest of them as the DS games went along.

yeah i was wrong oops

[Sumac]

Try to insult IGA fans all you want, IGAtardz still sounds way better than Coxsuckers.

I think there is no need to be that childish and throw insults on all people because of their preferences or because of several "fanboys" amongst said people. No need to generalize. Those insults will not make anyone better or smarter.

If you want to know, i'm listening to almost every kind of music, so if you prefer to listen to some generic music for a horror game instead of a creapy or something more suitable, it's your call, not mine.

Since when Castlevania series become "a horror game"?
What next interesting truth you will open for us? That Earth is flat and standing on three whales? And actually, catchy dynamic tunes are bad soundtrack for anything horror.

I never said that all of the monsters are connected to Dracula legend, but most of them. Also mythological creatures are refering to history books/texts, while fantasy are made through the mind of people.

Please, give me a list of them then.
And also, you never specified "what creatures connected to Dracula", you just said "creatures" in general.
I don't like to break your world, but most of the creatures in Castlevania has nothing to do with Dracula or his legend in any shape or form. The only creature that has any connection are bats and vampires. And that's it.
Oh, and by the way, mythological creatures = fantasy, since mythological creatures were created by people in the first place. Though you might try to prove existence of, say Medusa or Frankenstein's Monster in real world. I'll be waiting...=)

They are all demons and since Dracula is the root of all evil, they are bound to him.

Mummies are demons? Frankenstein's Monster is a demon?! Medusa is a demon?!? WTF???

So, Simon, Christopher, Richter were having combo whips attacks? Interesting, it seems that when i'm playing these games, i don't know how to excecute them......

Games must evolve, it is neccesary component of survival in competetive market. Of course you maybe on of those people who things that non-text RPGs are a sacrilige against genre, but most people prefer to see their games chamging with the times. Or at least they undestand neccesity of it.

To Sumac: If only subweapons are the only thing you see on SOTN connected to the old series, then you are blind or you didn't play it at all!!! Like i said before, i never cared about scenarios, i only mentioned the scenario of LoS, because it is not something, we haven't seen in another game or movie...

Arguments!! Arguments, please.
Your empty statements, without any prove, coupled with insults, make a fool out of you and only out of you. If you have some opinion be ready to prove it or go away.
And SOTN plot wasn't epitome of originality either, actually. And I am not talking about how it was executed...

So, tell me what was the story of first Castlevania game and its differences from the third, Super Castlevania, Adventure, revenge, legends e.t.c.

I thought it was impossible to miss the point TWICE IN A ROW, but you manage to accomplish such glorious feat. My sincere congratulations. :p

And just to make things clear: Richter mode doesn't have any story in SOTN. He is just a bonus character, that was put in the game for fun. I repeat, he has no story and his adventures in the castle is non-canon by any margin. It has nothing to do with the fact that the past CVs didn't have dialogues. Those game still had stories in game manuals (if you know what it is). So, there. I think its pretty muc impossible to misunderstand and misinterpret.

They might be 3, but they are clearly noticable, unlike LoS that they are some kind of short tunes.

LOS had Vampire Killer and Waterfall theme from SCV4 as far as I know.
CV64 had Dance of Illusions, Boss Battle theme from ROB and heavily remastered Bloodlines.
LOI had only 4 melodies from the past games - 2 were merged into one track and the other two were represented by short snippets merged with the new compostions. In general it is not so different form LOS.

So, name me another game in that time period that was playing like SOTN.

 
Does name "Super Metroid" rings any bells?
It didn't have RPG elements, though. But I believe there were games similar in concept to SOTN at the time.

Also if only subweapons are the only tie with the old games, then Dracula, Death, Akmodan, clock tower, Belmont's

What exactly in my phrase "I am talking about gameplay, not style" you do not understand? Looks like you are troll after all.

also, i keep calling LoS having a bad story, because it was not something new and it turned the hero to the one he was supposed to destroy

you keep not to underestand that i only care about game play and music at the games.

But you don't care about story in Castlevania, so why grieving over something that doesn't matter for you? And for whatever reason most of your posts talk about "how trolls ruin LOS", "how LOS story sucks"...quite a lot of gripes to the human who doesn't care about anything but the gameplay and music?

I'm not trolling anyone, i'm just stating facts

Your "facts" lokks like half-assed gripes, which often missing the point and doesn't go along with simplistic logic. There are not "facts", there are "personal claims" at best and "fanboish blindness" at worst.

If it is about Alucard...bla-bla-bla...completely missing the point in Nth time...

SOTN is about Alucard. Richter is secondary character, that plays rather major role in the fisrt part of the story and completely disappears after the middle of the game. Guess why? Because this game is not about him. And ROB-like intro is just to setup better connection with previous titles, before switching to the completely new gameplay and visual style and completely new protagonist, who is the main characters of this story. I hope this makes it clear, but I will not hold candle to it, giving how you managed intrepret some things that people said in completely opposite and confusing ways.

[K.G. Morder]

LOS had Vampire Killer and Waterfall theme from SCV4 as far as I know.

And the Courtyard theme from SC4 as well.

Since when Castlevania series become "a horror game"?

eeeeeh... more than a Horror game outright its an action platformer with certain Horror elements. mainly that it was a nod to B grade Universal Monster movies, which themselves are "horror" movies, but thats about it. Its not an outright horror series, it just has horror elements at times.

SOTN is about Alucard. Richter is secondary character, that plays rather major role in the fisrt part of the story and completely disappears after the middle of the game. Guess why? Because this game is not about him. And ROB-like intro is just to setup better connection with previous titles, before switching to the completely new gameplay and visual style and completely new protagonist, who is the main characters of this story.

It's a direct sequel to Rondo, and therefore, that's why it starts off with Rondo's final stage. However, it revolves around Richter's disappearance, and Aucard awakening from his self imposed eternal slumber to investigate what happened to him and why Castle Dracula has revived as well. The game is about Alucard and his fight against his father and what his father stands for, which is why it shows us the flashback dream sequence with the succubus, showing us his mother's execution. And then he finds out that Rishter has gone nuts and become the big bad of the castle. Upon finding out he is being mind raped Possessed, he defeats Shaft, frees Richter, and goes to fight his newly resurrected father.

So- to clarify:

Protagonist: Alucard
Side Character: Maria
Big Bad: Shaft
Plot Point: Richter

he's not even a side character. You see him a total of 3 times in the game, if you exclude his intro stage and consider it part of Rondo. First the Colosseum, and second, the battle with him in the keep, and third the ending. And all 3 of those are pretty spaced out.

The story revolves around what happened to Richter, but he is not the main character, just the initial focus of the plot, and the reason for Alucard being there.

[Ahasverus]

And the Courtyard theme from SC4 as well.

AND a reprise of Beginning

[Vrakanox]

While Castlevania may not be a horror game in the sense that Silent Hill is a horror game (being based entirely on scares). I would argue that the horror elements of the game play a huge role in what it is. Even in the Nintendo games and SNES games, sure you were in outdoor areas, (which is great, it doesn't all have to be inside the castle) but those areas still had a very ominous and frightening feel. I would even argue that Castlevania 4 (the game LoS supposdely took the most inspiration from) had some of the strongest horror elements of any game in the entire series.

With the first LoS, Cox and Mercury Steam really wanted to show that they could do tons of different environments. Remember the area in the beginning in the forest with the puzzles, It was absolutely gorgeous! But it did not feel like something I want in a Castlevania game. I really feel like LoS 2 is coming and what I think is that they are going to up the Horror and Gothic elements ten fold. I think they need to. It's a big part of Castlevania for me and others as well.

[K.G. Morder]

AND a reprise of Beginning

Really? where? I missed it...

[DragonSlayr81]

I think there is no need to be that childish and throw insults on all people because of their preferences or because of several "fanboys" amongst said people. No need to generalize. Those insults will not make anyone better or smarter.

LOL, it was a joke that I don't think needs to be explained. Ahasverus got it! Lighten up. Besides, it's funny seeing you play the "Don't generlize" card considering you've made generalizations in the past directed towards a group of people. I think you just got your feathers ruffled because you saw it as some sort of stab to your fandom. Though, it wasn't personal and I didn't name anybody(neither did Ahasverus, on his end). Laugh a little. It might do a world of good!

With the first LoS, Cox and Mercury Steam really wanted to show that they could do tons of different environments. Remember the area in the beginning in the forest with the puzzles, It was absolutely gorgeous! But it did not feel like something I want in a Castlevania game. I really feel like LoS 2 is coming and what I think is that they are going to up the Horror and Gothic elements ten fold. I think they need to. It's a big part of Castlevania for me and others as well.

I think setting the game during the medieval era gave them more leeway to adopt the more "fantasy epic" themes. That's kinda why I'd kinda be interested in seeing a LoS sequel that takes place post-medieval era, maybe the 18th or 19th centuries. It feels like, especially now, when someone sets a game in the medieval era, you HAVE to add that Tolkien-esque and even D&D influence by default, and have to take some cues from Peter Jackson's LotR movies(in particular, regarding creature design and specific dramatic and musical cues). Changing the setting would be an easy way to bypass all that. 

[Sumac]

I think you just got your feathers ruffled because you saw it as some sort of stab to your fandom. Though, it wasn't personal and I didn't name anybody(neither did Ahasverus, on his end). Laugh a little. It might do a world of good!

Nope. Its actually didn't "ruffled my gfeathers". I sincerely wanted to avoid turning the discussion to the transfer insults. When I generalized, I'd tried to avoid outright insults. But if it is a joke, then OK. Though I rarely laugh about insults, no matter whom their directed at.

[Ahasverus]

LOL, it was a joke that I don't think needs to be explained.

Hahah I lol'd 

Really? where? I missed it...

At the end of Final Confrontation, many of us didn't get to hear it because we were killed in the battle and as it's the last part of the song, you could only hear it playing 7:27 minutes without dying 

[crisis]

You have to look real closely & listen very carefully to find the Castlevania elements in LoS [with some exceptions] #haterzgonnahate

[Maedhros]

Besides the last music, I don't even remember a music from LoS at all. The weakest aspect of the game for me...

[Vrakanox]

Besides the last music, I don't even remember a music from LoS at all. The weakest aspect of the game for me...

I remember besieged village. The very first song that plays in the game.

[Dark Nemesis]

Last words from me. If the so called masterpiece LoS is so accepted by fans as the true 3D Castlevania game, then why Konami and Mercury steam they went into trouble and make a poll about how fans found the game and what did they thought was missing and what they would like to see more? Maybe because they fear that the sequel of LoS, as we know it, will not sell like the first did, but only to a few casual gamers and all the hardcore fans will turn away from it? Some people should underestand that they belong in minority and if Konami with Mercury steam, didn't get what hardcore fans want and just make another clone, at least for me i would consider the series dead. It will not be the first series that i will abandon. I have abandon silent hill and final fantasy, since they went for the casual market and they have forgoten the old fans of the series, all in the name of money. Also RE5 wasn't that good, only shiny graphics, so if the new one is going to be a shooter and not horror, like the old games, they can also forget me there.

[K.G. Morder]

If the so called masterpiece LoS

Noone here is calling it a masterpiece.

 

then why Konami and Mercury steam they went into trouble and make a poll about how fans found the game and what did they thought was missing and what they would like to see more?

Perhaps because the game was very divisive in the fanbase and recieved mixed reactions on different topics?
They want to know what parts of LoS people liked and what parts they didnt like as much.
Constructive criticizm, as it were.

Maybe because they fear that the sequel of LoS, as we know it, will not sell like the first did, but only to a few casual gamers and

all the hardcore fans will turn away from it?

The few hardcore CV  fans on here that like LoS say hi. Please dont make such assumptions as "all" Hardcore fans.

Some people should underestand that they belong in minority

Do we? it seems, again, pretty split if you ask me.

 

and if Konami with Mercury steam, didn't get what hardcore fans want

LoS while not my perfect CV vision, is pretty close in terms of quality and gameplay. Story is another matter alltogether. (although I did enjoy it)

 

and just make another clone, at least for me i would consider the series dead.

If it were just another SoTN clone or something like CVHD, THEN we could consider the series dead.

It will not be the first series that i will abandon. I have abandon silent hill and final fantasy, since they went for the casual market and they have forgoten the old fans of the series, all in the name of money. Also RE5 wasn't that good, only shiny graphics, so if the new one is going to be a shooter and not horror, like the old games, they can also forget me there.

And the for the fanbase, it was Tuesday...

The fanbase can survive without you i'm sure. If you want to just quit the fanbase because you didnt like a direction theyve gone in and wont tough it out, then you are not a true fan, who sticks with their fandom through thick and thin, through good and bad.

[uzo]

At the end of Final Confrontation, many of us didn't get to hear it because we were killed in the battle and as it's the last part of the song, you could only hear it playing 7:27 minutes without dying 

A small handful of notes at the end of a 7 minute song doesn't make an arrangement. That is unless you're from OCR, and OCR sucks.