Topic: LoS: Why do some fans hate it?

[beingthehero]

thanks to COX making a distinction between "Akumajo Dracula" and "Castlevania," that just may be the case. What bugs me is that he fumbles his words, by saying stuff like "LoS is a reboot, but it's separate to Akumajo Dracula." Essentialy, it's a "supposed-to-be" Castlevania that borrows certain elements from Castlevania, but doesn't want to BE Castlevania. Yup.

So basically he's retconning LoS from a reboot to a spin-off? :S

[Ahasverus]

thanks to COX making a distinction between "Akumajo Dracula" and "Castlevania," that just may be the case. What bugs me is that he fumbles his words, by saying stuff like "LoS is a reboot, but it's separate to Akumajo Dracula." Essentialy, it's a "supposed-to-be" Castlevania that borrows certain elements from Castlevania, but doesn't want to BE Castlevania. Yup.

Is that not the answer many of you were hoping to get?? This won't mess with the old series so it's all fine. win-win?
I understand this series as the western Akumajou, a la how The Ring is to the original Rikkuru (whatever i's called ), same concepts,  different storyline and stuff.

[Kingshango]

Im gonna laugh if Cox's vision of the final battle of Dracula comes out before IGA's 1999 battle.

[K.G. Morder]

You KNOW it will.

IGAtardz

hey now, that's a bit much. I like IGAVanias as much as the next guy and even I like LoS.

[Ahasverus]

You KNOW it will.
hey now, that's a bit much. I like IGAVanias as much as the next guy and even I like LoS.

Hahah I'm not talking about you, or any reasonable fan. Man I love some IGAvanias, but there are people who are just blinded of love to IGA so they hate everything not coming from him, those are the IGAtardz (relative cousins of the Alutardz) there are fans and tradz, while I'm not an IGafanfor example, I'm an ALucard fan, bot not exremely obssessed with him to say "it doesnt have alucard so it sucks" or "it would be so much better with alucard". It's those people who hope LoS flops (News flash: it didn't).

[crisis]

Technically there's no confirmation that the epilogue actually takes place in the year 1999, it's all conjecture until stated otherwise.

[K.G. Morder]

Oh its certainly conjecture, we dont deny that. But it still seems that even if it isnt the 1999 war, it might still be the closest we ever get.

[Neobelmont]

Hahah I'm not talking about you, or any reasonable fan. Man I love some IGAvanias, but there are people who are just blinded of love to IGA so they hate everything not coming from him, those are the IGAtardz (relative cousins of the Alutardz) there are fans and tradz, while I'm not an IGafanfor example, I'm an ALucard fan, bot not exremely obssessed with him to say "it doesnt have alucard so it sucks" or "it would be so much better with alucard". It's those people who hope LoS flops (News flash: it didn't).

For me less Alucard(he did something he never was supposed to do) the better and if they do bring back Alucard in LoSverse I hope I can whip him hmm... Now that just sounded kinky oh well .

[Nagumo]

Apperently there is an artbook of LoS which says the epilogue takes place 963 years after the end of the game. Which would make the year it takes places in 2010.

SO HAH!

[Dark Nemesis]

Hahaahahahah! this reinforces my theory about the LoS music appealing to people who know about music or appreciate it as a form of art and not a medium of enterteiment. Opera? Really?

  If you want to know, i'm listening to almost every kind of music, so if you prefer to listen to some generic music for a horror game instead of a creapy or something more suitable, it's your call, not mine.

Yeah, because Frankenstein, Hydra, Death, Legion and all those recycled enemies are sooo tied to the original Dracula legend. Also, tell me the difference between something mythological and somethig fantastic.

  I never said that all of the monsters are connected to Dracula legend, but most of them. Also mythological creatures are refering to history books/texts, while fantasy are made through the mind of people.

LoS combat is fantastic. it has the heavy feeling of the whip-swinging from the OldVanias but also the agility of New-Vanias. I think it's pretty much eprfect (control responsiveness aside)

  So, Simon, Christopher, Richter were having combo whips attacks? Interesting, it seems that when i'm playing these games, i don't know how to excecute them......

Trolls are, only with different designs.
Troll
Castlevania has always being of adapting ANY type of fantasy enemy it can (hey, we even slayed INDIAN GODS MULTIPLE TIMES IN OOE) goblins are not far fetched. And I like them, because, you know, CV takes plane IN EUROPE not tokyo so Goblins are kind of the creaures ttaht really belong to local lore

  Trolls from previous games and trolls from LoS, are two different entities. It depends the place. Not all places where having Goblins.

By that logic stories in video games are obsolete, because if people want to have a good story they wouldn't playing video games at all. However, MGS and some RPGs prove that games could have a good stories and detailed world. And actually its your loss that you didn't give a chance to MGS. It's one thing to watch the movie, another to participate in the story yourself, that's why I dislike people who make any statements about video games after they watched it on Youtube or somewhere else. Watching =/= participation.

  For your information, i have tried it, but i didn't like it. I'm not like some people who when a new RPG comes out, they are starting bitching, it's not like Final Fantasy. We all have different tastes, or else we would have not be humans, but robots.

To Sumac: If only subweapons are the only thing you see on SOTN connected to the old series, then you are blind or you didn't play it at all!!! Like i said before, i never cared about scenarios, i only mentioned the scenario of LoS, because it is not something, we haven't seen in another game or movie...

Yes, only subweapons is a part of old Castlevania formula that was reused in SOTN. Everything else you can find in pretty any other action game. To clear things up, I am talking only about gameplay, not style.
And why in the world you so adamant about LOS having a bad story if you didn't care about that?

  So, name me another game in that time period that was playing like SOTN. 2D side scroller, action, with RPG elements. Also if only subweapons are the only tie with the old games, then Dracula, Death, Akmodan, clock tower, Belmont's, just to name a few, are something that wasn't exist in previous games and you could find in any other game.......also, i keep calling LoS having a bad story, because it was not something new and it turned the hero to the one he was supposed to destroy. Good guy turns to evil. Even the older games had same stories and most of them are horrible. I only really care about scenarios, in RPG games. At Castlevania games, i only care about game play and music.

I, for one read, what are you writing and because of this a have a single question: what are you doing: trolling or just trying to invent half-assed gripes?

  I'm not trolling anyone, i'm just stating facts and i said what i said, because no matter how many i times i have said it, you keep not to underestand that i only care about game play and music at the games. Everything else comes second or third to my judge. I don't care if it has flashy graphics or a cinematic story, if the game play sucks. There are so many new games out there, but you know what i'm playing? psx, gba and gb games.

Nope. It's based around Alucard. Richter is the secondary character and the main plot is about Alucard and his relationship with his father and Maria (well at least they try to make it look like one). And by the way, why are we still talking about story, if you don't care about it in the slightest?

  If it is about Alucard, why then they got to the trouble of making for the intro the final battle from RoB? Why at the opening says that Richter was gone missing? Why in every encounter with Maria, the main subject is Richter? Finally, why if you don't save Richter, the game ends there and Alucard doesn't proceed to the inverted castle if it is about his relationship with Dracula and instead he is leaving alone and not with Maria?

Yes, they did.
Eveyrhting else were a "gimmick-of the-game" put on to of "metroidvania" formula

  By that logic, then every RPG game, should be named Final fantasy.

Now, please list all old tracks from previous Castlevania games, that were used in CV64. I now only about 6 and only 3 of them appeared in game (3 of them appeared only in LOD) in they original form (weren't put in other melodies or heavily remade). LOS actually did almost the same.
So, please give me that list or I call you argument a "bullshit".

  They might be 3, but they are clearly noticable, unlike LoS that they are some kind of short tunes.

I am not sure how to deliver this news for you, but I am not the one who attacks everyone with tonnes of exclamation marks. It as strange as if you were writing in all CAPS. Just saying.

  I'm not attacking anyone, i'm putting them, to deepen the meaning of what i'm writing.

I'll be the third to put this statement under a heavy question. What in the world mummies, Medusa and Frankenstein Monster have to do with Dracula legend?

  They are all demons and since Dracula is the root of all evil, they are bound to him.

LOL or Facepalm?
Anyway, I'll put it in my quotes list under "completely missing the point" label.

  So, tell me what was the story of first Castlevania game and its differences from the third, Super Castlevania, Adventure, revenge, legends e.t.c.

Why those goblins is such a deal breaker? Are they present in the game in every corner or play major role in the events?
There were shittones of generic enemies in CV series as the whole. Skeletons, zombies, bats, you name it. But no, those goblins ruin everything

  Like the motorcycle skeletons are out of place on Castlevania 64, that's how i see goblins at LoS.

[Charlotte-nyo:3]

No, I think that only applied to SoTN's inaccurate but quirky translation.

Nope, they're cave trolls in every English Metroidvania and Chupacabras in every Japanese version. It's one of the weird names they never decided to change for some reason, whereas they tended to weed out the rest of them as the DS games went along.

[DragonSlayr81]

But yeah, Cox will deliver his 1999 battle and IGAtardz will still be waiting for their never-to-be-released-because-they-just-don't-know-how-to-make-it masterpiece

Try to insult IGA fans all you want, IGAtardz still sounds way better than Coxsuckers.

[beingthehero]

[X]

Don't Hassle the Hoff 

[Ahasverus]

For me less Alucard(he did something he never was supposed to do) the better and if they do bring back Alucard in LoSverse I hope I can whip him hmm... Now that just sounded kinky oh well .

Try to insult IGA fans all you want, IGAtardz still sounds way better than Coxsuckers.

Oh my God this is beyond words... Hahahahahah :dying: Dungeon just got hot!