Topic: Castlevania: LoS - Mirror of Fate (SPOILER DISCUSSION)

[Kingshango]

Also, considering this is a spoiler discussion, do we ever find out how that guy in the stain-glass window is?

He's called the Toy Maker.

[Kamirine]

Looking at all this "fate" thing, I'm a bit of the opinion that God (or whatever higher being might be there instead) is more actively being a dick to "Dracula" in this continuity.
At least God in the IGAverse stopped at Drac's wife (or wives, if you count the wrongful execution of Lisa Fahrenheights Tepes that might be orchestrated by someone else (hey, Isaac was behind Rosaly's)), here He pretty much decided "oh hey let's make you kill your own son too while I'm at it." (I consider Trevor already dead by the time Gabe vampirizes him.)

Very much so: it's like everything Gabe cares about or trusts either dies (by his hand or actions/fate dictate it to be so) or betrays him or both.  If I don't give Cox anything, I'll give Cox this: he's given Dracula every reason to be bitter and resentful in this universe. 

 @Akuma:
Agreed.  The Brotherhood has done nothing but ruin his life for some supposed 'greater good' that has yet to be seen completely.  They've manipulated his entire family into making horrible choices with horrible consequences and I really want to see Gabe put them to rest.

@DragonSlayr81:
I'm questioning that too.  Or maybe said Belmont dies but mortally wounds him prior so he does technically die last...or maybe Alucard won't count because he 'doesn't see himself as a Belmont since his transformation' loophole/ass pull and thus 'doesn't count' anymore.  (I...wouldn't put it past Cox at this point.). A this rate, I just expect Gabe to finally die and be reunited/finally ascend properly to heaven to be with is family...or whatever and thus be happy in death.  If anything else happens, I'll be shocked.

[crisis]

I also find it sexy that when Alucard pleads with Dracula to spare Simon, Dracula's all like "No! My cursed bloodline must come to an end." To me that says that he still feels remorse and guilt that he has essentially destroyed his family, and forever burdened them with endless fighting.

[Zetheraxza]

I wonder how is Dracula exactly supposed to win in LoS2? If you die in the game, it's game over. But if you beat the game, it's game over in an epilogue ending where he finally releases his spirit and forgives himself.  Even more interesting, will Dracula succeed? I will give MS credit for one thing, that Gabriel cursed Marie when he found out that she lied to him. Trevor is now all he had, but he killed him as well. But now that he found out that he is Gabriel's son and lets him live... Trevor is no longer human and his only purpose now is to destroy Dracula. Simon is probably going to pull off Leon and his descendents will now be forced to hunt the night. But what  was the vision the Mirror was calling when Alucard picked up the stake in the end? I can't wait 'til tomorrow! I like this Dracula better because he is being betrayed by everybody, thus fueling his  hatred for humanity. Even the series itself is themed around future where one either accepts his "fate" or carves his own "destiny" and these overtones actually makes the game much better in it's story. And besides, it's a 3DS game so we weren't supposed to expect a ground breaking plot twist oscar winning story anyways. This game is more of a plot development, a prequel to LoS2 if you will. If they took care of their trailers properly on what to release and what not to release, it would've been better. But who knows... They're probably up to something. And they better be, because LoS originally had a "decent" story and after when I saw the ending with Marie being passed away and thought that he and his kinsmen will hunt the night, sadly there was no Dracula but the "Epilogue" ending after the credits blew everything away. Now as an audience, that challenged me. That's the kind of shit I like and although I forgive- hell what am I saying, it's a 3DS game or a PSN/XBLA game, it's a canonical side so it has served it's purpose but LoS2 is a proper sequel to LoS and not only I'm looking for the same standards as LoS, but better and lesser flaws (No flaws). My thirst yearns for the sequel...

[crisis]

A this rate, I just expect Gabe to finally die and be reunited/finally ascend properly to heaven to be with is family...or whatever and thus be happy in death.  If anything else happens, I'll be shocked.

Gabriel/Dracula can never ascend into Heaven. Remember what he kept saying over n over in LoS, oblivium sempiternum daemonis, "eternal oblivion for a demon."

The best he could hope for is complete nothingness, as tragic as it may seem.. or reincarnation.

[son_the_vampire]

Gabriel/Dracula can never ascend into Heaven. Remember what he kept saying over n over in LoS, oblivium sempiternum daemonis, "eternal oblivion for a demon."

The best he could hope for is complete nothingness, as tragic as it may seem.. or reincarnation.

Reincarnation yes....

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LoS 2  Soma cruz... Julius Mega Holy Cross... Bye bye Gabe. Hello

[Lelygax]

In the end they will explain the following:

IGA Dracula died in 1999, since Soma didn't existed yet he said "Hey, let's go to a alternate universe while I wait" so he reincarnates as Gabriel by mistake.

CoxVania ends with Gabula dying and Dracula saying "Hey, now I remember everything, Im late! I know how to fix that!", so he goes to where CV: Judgement happens, when everything is returning to normal, he flees to 2018 (or whatever the year that Soma bith happens) and thats it.

[Akuma]

Bestiary List 

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Shadow Crawler
Scaven
Flying Scaven
Zombie
Rotten Zombie
Harpy
Harpy Leader
Merman
Electric Merman
Hunter Merman
Merman Tadpole
Skeleton Warrior
Armored Skeleton
Werewolf
Hunchback
Hunchback Troop
Macabre Puppet
Gargoyle
Giant Bat
Knight Vampire
Wraith
Witches
Possessed Armor
Executioner
Night Watchman
Necromancer
Succubus
Reaver
Daemon Lord
Daemon Lord Resurrected
Lady of the Crypt
Dracula
Toy Maker
Lost Soul

Toy Maker is a NPC and is responsible for the Daemon Lord's Resurrection.  He isn't fought however.  Future boss for LoS 2?

Gamefaqs user "The Chad" gives his regards as my source for this information and the previous lists I posted.

[Laina]

In the end they will explain the following:

IGA Dracula died in 1999, since Soma didn't existed yet he said "Hey, let's go to a alternate universe while I wait" so he reincarnates as Gabriel by mistake.

CoxVania ends with Gabula dying and Dracula saying "Hey, now I remember everything, Im late! I know how to fix that!", so he goes to where CV: Judgement happens, when everything is returning to normal, he flees to 2018 (or whatever the year that Soma bith happens) and thats it.

Sounds legit. Dude, dude...DUDE...are you a Konami insider?

[Ahasverus]

Dracula reincarnates in Soma Cruz and finds redemption. Really, that's the ending of the series.

[Akuma]

Except this Soma is a girl and looks like Marie.

>:/

[Lelygax]

Sounds legit. Dude, dude...DUDE...are you a Konami insider?

Yes

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am...

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IGA

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Im deadly serious...

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like when Cox said that Alucard isn't Trevor

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j/k lol

[Shiroi Koumori]

Yes

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I...

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am...

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IGA

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Im deadly serious...

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like when Cox said that Alucard isn't Trevor

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j/k lol

Hehehe! Spoiler chain.

Except this Soma is a girl and looks like Marie.

>:/

Should have named her Sonia.

[Ahasverus]

Hehehe! Spoiler chain.

Should have named her Sonia.

Sonia Cruz... actually matches  *mindblown*

[DragonSlayr81]

Bestiary List 

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Shadow Crawler
Scaven
Flying Scaven
Zombie
Rotten Zombie
Harpy
Harpy Leader
Merman
Electric Merman
Hunter Merman
Merman Tadpole
Skeleton Warrior
Armored Skeleton
Werewolf
Hunchback
Hunchback Troop
Macabre Puppet
Gargoyle
Giant Bat
Knight Vampire
Wraith
Witches
Possessed Armor
Executioner
Night Watchman
Necromancer
Succubus
Reaver
Daemon Lord
Daemon Lord Resurrected
Lady of the Crypt
Dracula
Toy Maker
Lost Soul

Toy Maker is a NPC and is responsible for the Daemon Lord's Resurrection.  He isn't fought however.  Future boss for LoS 2?

Gamefaqs user "The Chad" gives his regards as my source for this information and the previous lists I posted.

So Toy Maker appears as an actual character and interacts with the Belmonts? I'm interested somewhat in him.

And since we are in a spoiler thread, what's the significance with the Daemon Lord? Also, is the Reaver the Night Watchman's advanced form? After watching both boss fight videos, there's some apparent similarities(Night Watchman and Reaver both wear the plague docter mask, both send out those skull-faced dogs).